Chris -
Your description of the TEC memo as “mendacity, misrepresentation, distortion and whining” is right on target.

Once again, TEC propagandists show no regard for the truth and just make up stuff as they go along. None of the s0-called “loyal Episcopalians” were named. Those quotes were probably fashioned out of whole cloth.

They brought up the “Chapman Memo” and blew it all out of proportion. They whine about “secrecy” and “agendas,” as if the Integrity-controlled leadership of TEC has never kept anyone in the dark about what is going on.

Biggest bunch of horse manure I have ever read in my life.

CJ,
“everyone is ‘a long-time parishioner’” and I would add, “in a long term committed relationship”.
“That the Canterbury connection has been rendered completely meaningless should be clarifying to Anglican conservatives. Will it be? Will orthodox Anglicans finally stop pursuing the chimera of “official” recognition?” I would call this an Ash Wednesday Epiphany.

Well that is certainly the story of what happened at Synod which TEC would like us to believe. Of course that isn’t quite what happened, but I won’t recite my take on it – it is on StandFirm, and is broadly in agreement with the view of ACNA itself.

I personally believe that ACNA will be recognised as part of the Communion by the Global South first and then others, then RW will have to decide whether he will continue to sit on the outside pulling faces in increasing isolation. All of this is likely to be academic when Glasspool gets consents when the chickens will come home to roost and we will have to see who, if anybody much, is in communion with TEC

Pageantmaster,
“All of this is likely to be academic when Glasspool gets consents when the chickens will come home to roost…” I believe TEC is just cheeky enough to deny that they have violated anything when Glasspool does get the consents. KJS and Bonnie A. will send the ABC another letter vaguely “explaining” this and he will offer a delayed response of mock chagrin. The charade will continue apace.

I personally believe that ACNA will be recognised as part of the Communion by the Global South first and then others

That happened TEN YEARS AGO. Where the f**k have you been?
Duncan has been seated with Global South Primates as one of them for about the last TEN YEARS.

What’s more FIVE YEARS AGO – in Nottingham, the global south put forwards a motion that would have immediately and permanently thrown TEC and Canada out of the communion

ether he will continue to sit on the outside pulling faces in increasing isolation. All of this is likely to be academic when Glasspool gets consents when the chickens will come home to roost and we will have to see who, if anybody much, is in communion with TEC

Glasspool is nothing – communion with TEC is nothing.
The global south have declared that TEC and Canada are not even Christian – that is a final determination by the GAFCON Primate’s council a couple of years ago.

If you want a functioning communion, GAFCON is it. Today.

TEC members need not apply.

Glasspool is nothing because TEC already has Robinson. One or One thousand, it makes no difference. more to the point, every bishop left in TEC is liberal. They tolerate gay priests and weddings and laypeople. Actually being gay or not doesn’t matter.

The question is now when GAFCON throws TEC out – because they are already out!

The question is: when GAFCON throws Williams out. When GAFCON makes clear they will have nothing to do with any “Church” that is in communion with TEC!

The GAFCON Primates are meeting soon. Watch this space.

Pageantmaster, by the way, if you are wondering how KJS is able to accomplish whatever she wants, she has learned how to use Jedi Mind Tricks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnjaUoR15dU.

RE: 7000 displaced in Fort Worth

Looking back at some numbers I ran at the time, the TEC loyalists probably can claim 7000 in membership, but the best they are going to do with ASA is something less than 1500, which can’t mean more than 2000-2500 “active members”, i.e. folks who show up somewhat regularly. Moreover, if you look back at the trend lines of loyalist parishes, the decline over 10 years is dramatic. Trinity/Fort Worth is the only one that shows growth, if memory serves, and that’s more than matched by decline in other liberal parishes. In all fairness, the numbers in Fort Worth aren’t impressive. I can’t find the tables which generate the charts, but it looks like Fort Worth ASA peaked in 2000 and declined maybe 10% by 2008. 2009 and 2010 will, of course, show a dramatic decline.

And here it is: the GAFCON primates “declaration of independence!”

http://www.gafcon.org/images/uploads/BeingFaithful_JD_Commentary.pdf

HALLELUJAH!

HALLELUJAH!

Does anyone know what the actual count on Glasspool consents is? Is there any real possibility that she will not get enough? The thread is growing at SF but they had no running total posted, last I looked.

TEc: Women priests, women bishops, GLBT bishops.

ACNA: Women priests. Nyet to women bishops.

CoE: Women priests. Soon women bishops.

GAFCON: Women priests, women bishops.

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Bottomline: They’re all compromised. Some less so than others.

Sinner,
The document you linked to was published in 2009. How about some new news?

Dear Ladies & Gentlemen:

Dare I add something that’s not quite on-topic but which is important regarding TEO’s duplicitousness?

When the Haiti earthquake struck, Mr. Christopher Johnson, the moderator of this website, named an Episcopalian charity as one to be trusted with givings for helping the people through that traumatic experience. I tried to warn people away from it, suspecting that they’d be likely to divert at least part of such monies for their own nefarious purposes. Alas, here seems to be some proof of something of this sort going on in the diocese of South-West Florida:

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=12122

At least $30,000 of funds intended for the sister diocese of the Dominican Republic (the next-door neighbour of Haiti on the same island of Hispaniola, IIRC) have ended up seized by TEO headquarters at 815 2nd Ave, NYC!!

Now, if they could do this against a poor Third-World diocese, why should we assume they’ll not do this with charitable funds??

Wow, that extended comment from Marc Robertson is devastating to the TEC propaganda. I guess the TEC briefing was carefully crafted and its release carefully timed so that the lies would not be revealed until after the vote had been influenced.

Frankly I never attributed any credibility to Canon C. K. Robertson’s memo from the first time I saw it, but I suspect some UK synoders were not so cynical.

My my – I do seem to have trodden on the Admiral’s bunions.

FW Ken,

“I can’t find the tables which generate the charts,…”

It is here: http://12.0.101.92/

TLM -

Thanks, but that’s just another access to the charts. There were some tables of the hard numbers by province and diocese, but they don’t seem to be online at present.