” Jimmy Carter has once again blamed traditional religion, particularly Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics, for “creating an environment where violations against women are justified.”

Which religion is missing from Jimmy’s list?

:cough: Islam :cough:

From peanut farmer to prophet…….Oh well.

Again. we see the relationship between inaccurate history and bad theology.

Although in a July column in The Observer Carter admits to “not having training in religion or theology,” in his address to the PWR Carter appeals to his authority as someone who has “taught Bible lessons for more than 65 years.”

Perhaps he should have taught gym.

I thought genital mutilation was a practice in muslim countries. And the abortion of female embryos (isn’t that a “choice”?) is a result of athiest China’s one-child policy.

But Jim knows what John Paul II really meant.

Heck, Christopher, Jimmah knows what Jesus really meant.

Our Lord and Savior didn’t do it so maybe we’d better not.

See above.

I thought genital mutilation was a practice in muslim countries. And the abortion of female embryos (isn’t that a “choice”?) is a result of athiest China’s one-child policy.

That can’t be right, Stephen. Jimmah says it’s all the fault of Southern Baptists and Catlicks.

And BTW, he’s only the stupidest president, Christopher. The worst, by non-virtue of being the most destructive, is the Chicago politician piece-of-crap in office now.

Equal value, worth, dignity does not translate to *identical roles* in marriage, family or church.

The man’s talking theory of unisex or androgyny with degrees of masculine/feminine on a sliding scale which is sooooo 1980s. We have been there, done that, got the Tshirt and passed on to a less agenda, more reality based understanding. Males are not females and vice-versa. God just didn’t make’em the same. God made male and female complementary and each are necessary for continuing the species. Maybe Jimmy did too much liberal kool-ade in Washington or something. Hanging with the democrats too long can do funny things to one’s brain.

I think I see what’s going on here. Jimbo used to have the distinction of being the worst President ever but the best exPresident because of his Habitat for Humanity work. But he soon scuttled the latter because he couldn’t keep out of the political limelight and his distinction in the former is being ecclipsed by the Commie in Chief now holding office. So he is now going for the entry in the history books as the worst exPresident.

It’s a crappy 2nd fiddle to Worst President but it’s all this twit is capable of accomplishing now.

This statement alone should disqualify him as any sort of Baptist: “It wasn’t until the 4th century or the 3rd at the earliest that dominant Christian leaders, all men, twisted and distorted Holy Scriptures to perpetuate their ascendant position within the religious hierarchy.” He’s spent 65 years teaching what he calls “twisted and distorted” Scriptures? He might as well be Muslim. They also believe that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures were twisted — in their case, they think unspecified evildoers eliminated prophecies about the coming of Muhammad.

He’s been outside the U.S. often, so if he looked around he would know that the position of women in both Hindu and Muslim societies is unquestionably inferior to that of women in Christian or even post-Christian countries. In Islam, women have limited legal, marital and property rights and are frequently the objects of genital mutilation, a despicable ancient African practice which many Muslims have adopted to their great discredit. Hindu areas and China are the places where female babies are aborted in the largest numbers, and in Hindu areas women are subjected to many restrictions and abuses.

Another foolish liberal demonstrates his ignorance and stupidity for the world to see. What a great guy! What a marvelous thinker! What an idiot!

Guess ol’ Jim Bob didn’t learn much from teaching Bible for 65 years, did he?

I still maintain that, as presidents go, Barry will replace Carter as the worst in my mind. But it is hard to do worse than Jimmy’s example as an ex-president!

That Jimmy, he really knows how to pound a nail.

So when will President Carter turn around and condemn the Catholic Church for feminizing Christianity and exalting the Virgin Mary?

Carter goes on to list horrific violations against women such as rape, genital mutilation, abortion of female embryos and spousal battery.

Rape – not particularly limited to any one religion.

Genital mutilation – prominent in Islam.

Abortion – Supported by liberals and Democrats the world over. Sucks to realize people might just use abortion to engage in some serious gender discrimination, doesn’t it? Those Southern Baptists and Catholics you criticize are the ones fighting against this sort of abuse.

Spousal battery – Again not limited to any one specific religion.

Nice try, you doddering old fool.

Amy P – good catch. He lambasts conservative denominations for abortion… words fail me. His brain must be on polemical autopilot.

Actually this is also a big problem in India, with many men now unable to marry due to a shortage of females. Al Mohler posted a piece on this a while back.

It’s true, Smurf Breath. In some parts of India there are only 7 or even 6 girls born for every ten boys. As they are growing up it’s becoming a huge problem. The same is true in China. If Chinese couples can have only one child by government fiat they will often choose the boy and abort girls. No girls for those boys to marry.

Jimmy’s alcoholic brother Billy apparently was an eventual role model for his brother Jimmy. Billy was a self appointed ambassador to Libya. Billy probably suffered from organic brain syndrome b/c of his excessive consumption of alcohol. With Jimmy it took a little longer but now it looks like age related dementia. I no longer see much difference between the two. You’ll know he has morphed into his late younger brother when he urinates on the airport runway.

C’mon, Chris. The poor man’s trying to establish a legacy. Y’know, if even almost-President Algore can do it, then real presidents like Mr. Carter and Mr. Clinton should be able to also.

Jimmah has gone ‘n jumped the shark fo’ sure, now. Has he been disfellowshipped by the Southern Baptists yet? Actually, it’s not to laugh. With a sour soul to match that sour face, he’s as much in peril as any Christian who actually has studied theology and still chooses to worship at the shrine of liberal pride.

If he felt this way about us Catlicks in 2005, he should have declined to join his fellow ex-presidents and W on the flight to Pope JP II’s funeral. It certainly would have made the flight more enjoyable for his companions and would have spared us looking at his sour face by the catafalque. (Of course, he may still be ticked that the Vatican protocol guides took them to a place where they had prie-dieus and not chairs. Tough, when in Rome….)

Pres. Carter renounced the Southern Baptist Convention, apparently in 2000. It’s not clear that his congregation has formally withdrawn, but they generally support the liberal Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/baptist_SBC_Carter.html

“Jimmah has gone ‘n jumped the shark fo’ sure, now. Has he been disfellowshipped by the Southern Baptists yet?”

Jimmy Carter voluntarily left the Southern Baptist Convention some years back. He’s now a member of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which is a group of so-called “moderate” Baptists.

I’m waiting for Dhimmi Carter to say even ONE thing bad about Islam. He blasts Israel, blasts the Catholic church, blasts Southern Baptists, blasts the US for being a racist country for opposing Obama’s policies but just LOVES him some Islamic terrorists!

I can’t believe that idiot was POTUS. Was he always this stunningly stupid?

Jimmy Carter, president: FAIL

Jimmy Carter, theologian: MEGA EPIC FAIL FAIL FAIL

diane in nc with a small d, YES!

Obama has dropped 21 points in presidential approval rating in 11 months.

Carter only dropped 14 points in his first 11 months. Obama is making Carter look good.

Here are the approval numbers on inauguration day, the numbers for December, and the change from inauguration day until December for each of the presidents—

IKE 66 60 -6
KENNEDY 72 78 6
NIXON 60 60 0
CARTER 69 55 -14
REAGAN 53 49 -4
BUSH 1 63 70 7
CLINTON 55 55 0
BUSH 2 59 85 26
OBAMA 68 47 -21

Chris, will I be banned if I admit to all the world that I voted for Jimmy Carter? Lord knows I’ve asked for forgiveness……

I hasten to add I voted for Jimmy ONCE.

WO -> GO.

But then GO might be alright with Jimmah too.

[Commercial Break]

Sarah Hey posts breaking news titled “Upper South Carolina Clergy & Lay Leaders Elect Revisionist As Bishop, Choose Further Decline.”

“Waldo counts Bishop Robinson as his “mentor,” seeks to institute same sex blessings after General Convention approves a rite, counts Jesus as “my way” and “my truth,” and practices Communion of the Unbaptized, in violation of the national church canons, at his parish.”

To show that the “Defending Little Stone Bridges” Third Way strategy is still viable and effective, three commenters have now been banned on that thread from SF:

Vintner, Grandmere Mimi, and EQB Sewanee Stand Firm.

TU&D,
“To show that the “Defending Little Stone Bridges” Third Way strategy is still viable and effective, three commenters have now been banned on that thread from SF:”
I don’t understand this statement. Are you intending to be sarcastic? If this is a viable strategy, in this case at least it looks to me like this bridge collapsed.

Joe Jackson,
“I hasten to add I voted for Jimmy ONCE”
You can be absolved ONLY if it was his FIRST run for president, not the second one.

“Give Jim credit. The doddering old fool’s stupidity has a quality all its own. That might well be the dumbest thing anybody’s said about anything in a very long time.”

Yes, but is it Spong-worthy?

It’s interesting what a bump 9/11 gave Bush 2. It’s more than I remembered. He probably won’t be remembered as a great president, but I think he was good one and hope time shows that up.

Dale Matson -

One suspects TUAD was being sarcastic, which, in this case, is warranted.

I’m sure Ms. Hey feels noble and gallant defending her Little Stone Bridges, but a simple reading of history suggests the malignant nature of heresy. The situation of someone who stays in TEC is mostly like the Jews at Masada and I’m not sure what it accomplishes for the Kingdom of God.

I may be prejudiced, of course, since I’m currently “in moderation” at T1.9, which means I’m banned and, probably, the same is true at Stand Firm.

Wow, FW Ken, you’re usually so soft-spoken compared to various flame-throwers, so I am surprised at the “moderation” status.

Sarah Hey’s way is not my way in many respects. However, she fought the good fight in the USC election and continues to work with the shrinking number of TEC stayers who are believers. I expect to be corrected on lots of things I have done and not done when I see the Lord face to face, and the same will be true for Ms. Hey and all the rest of us. Judgment is His, not mine.

Joe Jackson wrote:

“Chris, will I be banned if I admit to all the world that I voted for Jimmy Carter? Lord knows I’ve asked for forgiveness……

I hasten to add I voted for Jimmy ONCE.”

Well, since this seems to be “true confessions” time, so did I — in 1976 (and I have never, ever, voted for a Democrat since, except for the late Bob Casey for governor here in Pennsylvania in 1990). In retrospect, it was a bad mistake, but remember, Ford was egregiously and assertively “pro choice” (and his wife was worse), and I hoped then that Carter might be a little better on that score. I was also dismayed to have learned after the fact how “socially liberal” (as well as sociopathic) Nixon (for whom I cast my first presidential vote in 1972) was.

As to SF and TUaD’s comment, I will simply say:

“Hegel says somewhere that all great historic facts and personages recur twice. He forgot to to add: ‘once as tragedy, and again as farce’.”

— Karl Marx *The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte* (1852)

In that light, consider this:

15. David Keller wrote:

#4 and 14—He (Waldo, the bishop-elect of USC) is divorced; he practices open communion; he believes Jesus is a way, but there are other ways; he will send practicing LGBT’s to seminary; he approves SSB’s/marriages; he is a self described disciple of Gene Robinson; he approves of practicing LGBT bishops. On every one of these issues he is 180 degrees out from the diocesan survey, which would make one think the diocese won’t be very receptive to him, which means diocesan income will fall even more that it already has. #6—No congregation will leave, but alot of individulas will. With income as it is now, we are barely able to support our mission churches. When it drops even further due to this idiotic choice, I can see at least 5 churches closing in the next 2 years and Lord knows how many more in this man’s tenure.
December 13, 8:19 am

from here: http://kendallharmon.net/t19/

I might say more, along the lines of “we become what we loathe” and apply it to TE”C,” on the one hand, and S(notso)F, on the other, and apply the “tragedy” and “farce” succession as well, but I have said enought for the present.

TE”C” both deserves, and, in its present state, is virtually “taylor-made” for the likes of Waldo the Wobbler.

You might note as well, that on that SF posting and thread that TUaD references above, that one purported “conservative,” once an Assembly of God unoirdained leader, then a revert to TE”C,” and now a member of a CEEC (not to be confused with the CEC or “Charismatic Episcopal Church;” the CEC is admirably and totally opposed to WO, whereas the CEEC allows “diocesan option” on that issue) defends “communion of the unbaptized” (apparently an accepted Assembly of God practice) and maintains that stance in a series of exchanges on that thread with Fr. Kimel. It reenforces my view that an “orthodoxy” so broad as that which huddles together on SF is both powerless and meaningless.

I had to look up this Council for a Parliament of World Religions thingy, and I admit, I’m confused. On the one hand, it looks like the usual talking-shop for vague fuzziness, full of good and indeed laudable intentions, but short on what to do about them. On the other hand, just when I was convinced that it was all a gloop of “all religion is the same deep down, let’s all join hands and sing hail to Gaia” – especially with all the Indigenous Spirituality/Pagan?New Age loopiness involvement, they did state that in the Melbourne meeting “Will groups engage in combined worship?
No. Each group will present itself and its beliefs and practices but will not be expected to engage in combined worship activities. Opportunities to observe others in worship will be provided as part of the process of learning about each other. These will often be events in Melbourne places of worship.”

So at least they do respect differences and don’t think that a combined Pagan-Buddhist-Catholic-Jewish-Sikh ceremony is just jim-dandy.

May I just spin off on a tangent here and ask any Dominicans what the heck is going on with them? Are Dominicans the new Jesuits, or what? Because there are two Dominican nuns on the Board of this thing, and a couple of other Catholic priests. Though again, I’m confused, because the priests are in collar and clericals and don’t, on the face of it, seem ravingly heterodox.

Anyway – former President Carter and his address. He did mention Islam, to be fair to him:

“All of us have a responsibility to acknowledge and address the gross acts of discrimination and violence against women that occur every day. Here are some well-known examples:

Globally, at least one in three women and girls is beaten or sexually abused in her lifetime. (U.N. Commission on the Status of Women, February, 2000)
Our Carter Center has been deeply involved in the Republic of Congo. In war zones where order has broken down, horrific and sometimes lethal rape has become a tactic of warfare practiced by all sides.
In a study in 2000, the U.N. estimated that at least 60 million girls who should be alive are “missing” from various populations, mostly in Asia, as a result of sex-selective abortions, infanticide or neglect.
According to UNICEF, an estimated one million children, mostly girls, enter the sex trade each year and the U.N. estimates that 4 million women and girls are trafficked annually.
In some Islamic nations, women are restricted in their movements, punished for permitting the exposure of an arm or ankle, deprived of education, prohibited from driving a car or competing with men for a job. If a woman is raped, she is often most severely punished as the guilty party in the crime.
The same discriminatory thinking lies behind the continuing gender gap in pay and explains why so few women hold political office, even in most Western democracies.”

His speech was a weird mix of acknowledging that Christianity did raise the status of women and saying that the non-ordination of women excuses their abuse:

http://www.cartercenter.org/news/editorials_speeches/parliament-world-religions-120309.html

Now, there are some extremists on the “complementariansim versus egalitarianism” spectrum who do use the Biblical teachings as excuses to bully their wives; this is undeniable. However, these guys are basically jerks (I refrain from stronger language) who would use anything as an excuse, and if they couldn’t quote St. Paul, they’d argue for scientific basis of genetic determinism of women’s inferiority to men (e.g. brain-to-body size ratio, I.Q. testing where men are more likely to be at the higher or lower extremes than women, etc.)

In other words, anyone can find justification for his or her opinions anywhere if he or she looks hard enough.

“So when will President Carter turn around and condemn the Catholic Church for feminizing Christianity and exalting the Virgin Mary?”

Oddly enough, M.L., he does mention Our Lady as an example of how Christianity has exalted women, but is hypocritical in refusing to exalt them enough; in other words, if you respect Mary, you should ordain women:

“The exaltation and later reverence for Mary, as Jesus’ mother, is an even more vivid indication of the special status of women in Christian theology” and “The Roman Catholic Church and many others revere the Virgin Mary but consider women unqualified to serve as priests.”

This moron trying to make his historical ignorance sound respectable is enough to once and for all, along with the present recipient, brand the “Nobel Peace Prize” as completely meaningless.

Thanks to Fuinseoig for reading Carter’s speech so we don’t have to. “Weird mix” would be the right word for him. He has, in fact, done some genuine good works in a major way. His foundation spearheaded efforts to eliminate a nasty African worm infection which has saved millions of people from misery. His support for Habitat for Humanity raised its profile. If only he could stick to those achievements and stop making speeches!

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