“cartoonish or silly”

Hmm … why do EcUSA’s Clown Eucharist and giant Puppet Eucharist come to mind?

For a real cartoon figure, go to the link and see who is biggest and brightest on the front page … also one of the prime dis-engagers in the process of learning about God (but a hell of an advocate for gay inclusion in whatever). Though the bishop of this diocese gives a real run for the money in the disengagement from the learning of God sweepstakes, too, come to think of it!
Chane, Chane, Chane…Chane of fools.

This is perhaps the single best quote illustrating the difference between liberal/conservative, reappraiser/reasserter that I’ve ever seen:

“conservative Christian publishers ….. focus on conveying the facts and the moral lesson of the story instead of opening the Scriptures to children in a way that engages them in a process of learning about God”

Wow. They come right out and say that teaching children about the words, deeds, and concepts recorded in the Holy Sciptures is wrong. That is so mind-bogglingly heretical it’s hard to fathom how to top it. This puts druid priests, buddhist priests, gay bishops (who are gay), and the rest into the background.

Seriously – those who are still within TEC, please copy this quote, and show it to members of your parish. And remind them that this is officially sanctioned teaching of a TEC diocese.

PS – CJ, have you seen the item yet about the “lawsuit fundraising letter” over on StandFirm/T19? It’s another watershed moment, which should be shouted from the hilltops to show what’s really in the hearts of the TEC leaders.

Also: keep your kids away from conservative schools that try to teach them facts about numbers instead of engaging in a process of learning about math.

I’m pleasantly surprised they recognize that Scripture contains both facts and moral lessons. At least we have that bit of common ground.

i prefur teh prosess ov lurning teh wordz to lerning teh factz of redeing!!1!!!1

So I click on the link to read the article complaining about “pictures that are of poor quality, cartoonish or silly,” and I’m greeted by Vickey and the Amazing Technicolor Vestment. But hey, I guess that’s just one more reason to avoid the Washington Window.

Facts and morality be damned! Full speed ahead!

What do they want, kids to look at abstract art instead?

Sounds like the kind of thing that comes from people who haven’t got kids or common sense.

Oh, right, they’re liberal Episcopalians.

P.S. Reminds me of those rather abstract folk-art wooden cars etc. that people who don’t have children give kids.

“children’s Bibles are published by conservative Christian publishers that focus on conveying the facts and the moral lesson”
C’mon people, you need to look at this from TEC’s point of view. If children learn the facts about God and the moral lessons of the Bible, there won’t be anyone left in TEC’s pews in 20 years. So they need to stop that sort of thing at all costs.

Um, how about the “Crone Blessing” liturgy on the following page?! Creepy.

This is what those of us in the Diocese of Washington have to deal with day in and day out.

It is noteworthy that the writer of this article is female and she credits two other females for their contribution:,

So we get:”“conservative Christian publishers ….. focus on conveying the facts and the moral lesson of the story instead of opening the Scriptures to children in a way that engages them in a process of learning about God”

You see its not about facts and the “moral of the story” but it is all about “feeling” and the creation of a god in their own image, and consequently the power to create our own morality, i.e. What feels good must be good!!!

I remember my religion classes at a liberal Methodist college back in the 70s and I heard the same thing. It sort of made sense at the time, to not reduce the Word of God to children’s stories and pretty pictures. But of course, college kids really need to be told how silly their upbringing was, don’t they! And we don’t expect that libprots (or libcats, for that matter) are going to move much beyond a college sophomore mentality. So it all fits.

LaVallette, I agree with you, except that often enough it’s a not matter of creating a god, but of “finding the god(dess) within”. Modernist religion (like a lot of classic religions, if you get down to it) is simply another version of Adam’s and Eve’s quest to be as gods.

I do not think that it has occurred to them that learning the facts of the stories and the moral lessons drawn from the stories is, for those who take the Bible as inspired by God and possessing reliability & authority, a major part of the process of learning about God and nurturing a relationship with him.

Certainly, the Bible can be taught or learned piecemeal, so that all one knows is the individual stories and some moral teachings, without learning all that much about God or how to enter into friendship with him through faith in Christ – but most conservatives that I know want kids (their own and others) to know the living God and to live in relationship with him. The liberals all want a vague and blurry god who will bless whatever cause is trendy on the left, so facts are awkward things for them.

I find the cartoonyness of some of the young children’s Bible editions to be insipid and annoying myself.

But, I’ve put up with the crappy artwork because I want my children to learn “the facts and the moral lesson of the story.”

Solution: rather than ditch actual Bible teaching for some sort of process pseudo-theology, how about we try the radical step of using good art for children’s editions of Scripture!!!

peace,
Zach

Anyone see the cartoon on Pg. 13 of Washington Window?

Myrm! I had the same reaction!! And what’s more, it’s not even funny. Between that and the Crone Blessing, I don’t know why anyone stays there. Just go pagan, for goodness sake, you’ll have a lot more fun, and you don’t have to pretend you’re Christians. So much easier.

Well, just because artwork is done in a cartoon style, doesn’t mean it’s not good art. Many cartoonists are competent draftmen and have a good understanding of anatomy (as opposed to Dilbert© who seems to have rubber bands for arms.)

Children like cartoons.

Little Myrmidon,

Oh, you’re quite right about the artistic competence possible in cartooning.

It’s just that I’m not sure Thomas Nelson knows where to find those artists. Or would be able to recognize them if they did.

peace,
Zach