Posted by Christopher Johnson | Tuesday, August 25th, 2009 | Uncategorized | 15 Comments

Ed Morrissey articulates the Obama Doctrine.  Toward enemies, subservience.  Toward friends, abuse:

Never let it be said that the Obama administration took a defeat graciously.  When the Honduran Supreme Court rejected the deal that Costa Rica offered, called the San Jose Accord, that would have reinstated Manuel Zelaya as president, the Obama administration had a choice: allow Honduras to make its own decisions and accept them, or try to pressure Hondurans to bend to American will.  Guess which path they chose?

The OAS Foreign Ministers mission is in Honduras seeking support for the San Jose Accord, which would restore the democratic and constitutional order and resolve the political crisis in Honduras. In support of this mission and as a consequence of the de facto regime’s reluctance to sign the San Jose Accord, the U.S. Department of State is conducting a full review of our visa policy in Honduras. As part of that review, we are suspending non-emergency, non-immigrant visa services in the consular section of our embassy in Honduras, effective August 26. We firmly believe a negotiated solution is the appropriate way forward and the San Jose Accord is the best solution.

I’ll bet “toward enemies, subservience, toward friends, abuse” would sound really cool in Latin.


August 25, 2009

I don’t have a problem with the means he’s employing, or that he’s getting involved per se; I just have a problem with the fact that he’s on the wrong side of the issue. If there really was an illegal coup, I wouldn’t have any problem with what he is doing.

Daniel Muller
August 25, 2009

“Pétite et accipiétis, ut gáudium vestrum sit plenum.”

Inter inimicos [tuos] subservite; inter amicos [tuos] subsannate.

Be thou subservient with thine enemies; with thy friends, sneer.

Ancillus inter inimicos, praeses [vel abusor aut desPOTUS] inter amicos.

Servant among enemies, president [or abuser or despot] among friends.

Heh, how about: POTUS vel desPOTUS ?

I think that even if The One were on the right side on this, it is putting pressure on the wrong people. Plus encouraging illegal immigration.

Christopher Johnson
August 25, 2009

I was right. Thanks, Daniel

August 26, 2009

So a lot of people were against the Bush efforts to “impose” democracy in the Middle East. Are the same set now also opposed to democracy and constitutional order in Latin America? The administration is dead wrong on this one.

Allen Lewis
August 26, 2009

Zelaya wanted to make himself President for Life, just like little Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela. Since Barry is such good buddies with ole Hugo, he wants Zelaya to get what he wants. It’s a precedent thing, dontcha know. That way when Obama wants to become President for Life here, he could say, “See what Honduras did about violating their Constitution?”

This is the typical elitist reaction when they don’t get their way.

Alexander Scott
August 26, 2009

I would just like to point out that, contra what the State Dept. is saying, the democratic and constitutional order required the deposition of the Honduran president for his illegal and unconstitutional actions (as per the text of that document). It didn’t seem to me that there was room for “interpretation” on this issue…

August 26, 2009

I’m truly worried about the Mideast and Afghaniastan. I really think that the Obama administraion is Carter for the 21st century

Gregg the Obscure
August 26, 2009

Xavier, it’s great to see that kind of optimism. It’s hard to believe the O team isn’t orders of magnitude worse than the Carter administration.

August 26, 2009

X and GtO:

Carter and worse in the same administration? And to think we have three and a half years’ more incompetence and corruption.

I lived in Prince Georges County, Maryland for six years and saw first-hand the kind of entitlement society spawned there. Adding insult to injury, I couldn’t believe the kid gloves the prosecutors and courts showed habitual drug dealers (i.e. the crackhouse next door); I finally moved my family (including two very young daughters) out when I couldn’t stomach it any more.

Any thought that these people could be trusted with power was absolutely stupid.

August 26, 2009

So that you know, I was raised to believe in the equality of men.

After my experience in PG County, though, and the neighbors’ (mostly black) indifference and virtual inaction towards ongoing drug crime in their own neighborhood I’ve become less convinced that races of mankind are indeed equal.

Sorry. I believe that my faith requires acknowledging the equality of races, but because of my experiences I’m having real trouble with that right now.

The Little Myrmidon
August 26, 2009

My handy-dandy Latin translator comes up with:

“obviam hostilis subservience, obviam amicitia, probrum”

It probably would look nifty embroidered or cross-stitched for a wall-hanging.

August 26, 2009

Does it matter what types of visas they suspend from application? Most Hondurans come here on a whatever visa they can get approved and then disappear into the crowd when it expires.

When they get arrested and you contact ICE the usual response is (and I am paraphrasing) “Yeah we know that he is illegal, but our budget and current attitudes in this department keep us from giving two sh*ts”.

Why is it that even after the Bolivarian experiments with republican democracy in Latin American for the past 200 years, none of them can ever get it right? Is everyone down there have the typecast 2-bit dictator mentality or is it truly the fault of the Yanquis and the Dole Fruit / Domino Sugar corporate empire building that is secretly being masterminded by Dick Cheney and or Karl Rove (wolf howls)?

c matt
August 27, 2009

Why is it really any of our business?

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JC Fremont
August 27, 2009

Reflecting on the actions of the current POTUS in regard to Honduras…or really any topic…reminded me of a Rudyard Kipling verse. Here’s a shortened version:

Three things make earth unquiet
And four she cannot brook
The godly Agur counted them
And put them in a book — <—**see note below
Those Four Tremendous Curses
With which mankind is cursed;
But a Servant when He Reigneth
Old Agur entered first.

His feet are swift to tumult,
His hands are slow to toil,
His ears are deaf to reason,
His lips are loud in broil.
He knows no use for power
Except to show his might.
He gives no heed to judgment
Unless it prove him right.


His vows are lightly spoken,
His faith is hard to bind,
His trust is easy boken,
He fears his fellow-kind.
The nearest mob will move him
To break the pledge he gave —
Oh, a Servant when he Reigneth
Is more than ever … !

** The reference is, of course, to Proverbs XXX 21-23.
*** last word after the line was omitted in compliance with current cultural standards

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