MCJ RELATIONSHIP ADVICE

Posted by Christopher Johnson | Sunday, December 18th, 2016 | Uncategorized | 28 Comments

Certain things need to be decided at the start:

Prominent American celebrities have taken to YouTube to try and convince Republican Electoral College members to vote their conscience against President-elect Donald Trump.

But in a video published Friday, and first reported on Saturday by Politico, “West Wing” actor Martin Sheen incorrectly refers to the Kansas electoral college voter that he’s trying to convince. 

“As you know Mr. McMillan, our founding fathers built the electoral college to safeguard the American people from the dangers of a demagogue, and to ensure that the presidency only goes to someone who is, to an eminent degree, endowed with the requisite qualifications,” Sheen says in the video.

Ahhhhh-yup.  “Mr. McMillan” is a girl.

The person he’s talking to seems to be Kansas Electoral College voter Ashley McMillan. 

But the voter, whose full name is Ashley McMillan Hutchinson, is not Mr. McMillan. She’s a woman. And she’s the vice chairwoman of the Kansas Republican Party who wrote in The Wall Street Journal recently that “I won’t violate the will of the people of Kansas simply because coastal elites think Mr. Trump tweets too much.”

28 Comments to MCJ RELATIONSHIP ADVICE

Bill2
December 18, 2016

our founding fathers built the electoral college to safeguard the American people from the dangers of a demagogue

It didn’t keep them from electing Obama twice.

unreconstructed rebel
December 18, 2016

So far, the electors I have seen in public seem to be even headed sorts who know what it is they are doing. I am not worried.

Marie Blocher
December 18, 2016

Yeah, there’s one in Texas who is a bit off the mark, but even he says he will vote for another Republican.
So his vote isn’t going to HC (and that does not stand for Holy Cross)

unreconstructed rebel
December 18, 2016

Hold on. It’s not a single set of electors who then agree beforehand to vote for the winner. Electors are nominated by each party then selected by the outcome of the presidential vote. They are nominated by their respective parties sometime before election day. It’s not like they didn’t see this coming.

Remember, Hillary needs 38 turncoats to get to 270. Any elector who might cross party lines can forget about a continued career in politics.

Stop worrying.

Katherine
December 18, 2016

Yes, it’s highly unlikely to make any difference. And even if they were able to push Trump’s vote down to 269, the election would go to the House (for President) and the Senate (for VP). Guess who controls those? This is a juvenile exercise in futility.

Art Deco
December 18, 2016

Yes, it’s highly unlikely to make any difference. And even if they were able to push Trump’s vote down to 269, the election would go to the House (for President) and the Senate (for VP). Guess who controls those? This is a juvenile exercise in futility.

Well, the game might be to get the #NeverTrumpers who’ve been appointed elector to cast a ballot for Pence or some such. The Constitution requires that presidential balloting by Congress be one vote per House delegation and that they’re limited to the five candidates who scored the most electoral votes (in the 1st instance) and then the top three after x number of ballots. So, you get a critical mass of Republican electors to cast votes for Pence or Mitt Romney or John Kasich or Paul Ryan and then Republicans in the House have some other names to work with. The Republicans have a majority of around (~30) delegations. The thing is, the Republicans in each delegation would have to observe some sort of unit-rule, or you’ll have deadlocked delegations where you have delegations trisected between those supporting Clinton, those supporting Trump, and those supporting #NeverTrump-fill-in-the-blank. I don’t think you can mobilize enough House Republicans around some alternative candidate because there just won’t be enough support in the caucus for flipping off the voters completely. The best they could hope for was a deadlock which would lead to the Senate’s choice of VP or the Speaker of the House taking office for an interim period per provisions of the 20th Amendment.

So, it’s basically just a wing-it chewing-gum-and-twine effort to get Pence or Paul Ryan in the President’s chair through the trade entrance.

Art Deco
December 18, 2016

There was a Hot Air post referencing an article in the Arizona papers about their electors receiving appeals to change their vote. One elector has received 7,000 messages and another 80,000. The conduct of partisan Democrats since 8 November has been enough I suspect to induce a counter-mobilization wherein Republican wheel-horses who were reluctant to vote for Trump have a disgust reaction to it all which induces a sense of loyalty to him. I think George W. Bush benefited from this effect. I’ve long wondered if Al Gore could have flipped the electors if the Democratic Party hadn’t behaved according to type (the smears, the lawfare, the abusive appellate judges, Jesse Jackson).

Katherine
December 18, 2016

Wing-it, chewing gum, basically nuts. If Trump had been busy making cabinet picks unacceptable to conservatives it might have made some sense to try. As it is, no way.

sybil marshall
December 18, 2016

Katherine, yes, except that it’s also (knowingly, in a lot of cases, I suspect)an exercise in de-legitimizing Gimli, and even what pathetic results they’ve had thus far helps them set their stage for that. (They’ll have another lie to just keep repeating until it “becomes the truth”.)

And they are patient, at least in the area of Long Marching and so on, or perhaps it’s just a persistence borne of not havinbg a life beyond government/politics.

Can only hope the recently wider distrust of the lamestream media continues and, ideally, grows.

Katherine
December 18, 2016

Well, yes, sybil, the goal is not seriously to stop Trump from being inaugurated. The goal is to make him look illegitimate in the eyes of the public. I think they’re preaching to the left-wing choir, here, though. As AD points out, this nonsense is making the right and the moderates look even more negatively at the left.

unreconstructed rebel
December 18, 2016

OT. I am curious what role Ivanka will play in a Trump administration. Story is that he is devoted to her & hers is the one phone call he will stop whatever he is doing to take.

Michael Berry
December 18, 2016

I have to admit that all of this is making me think more favorably of Trump than I did before.

Katherine
December 18, 2016

It can be fun to laugh at these leftists freaking out, but in reality it’s not funny. Electors across the country are being subjected to harassment. If it were Democrat electors being harassed, it would be big news in the New York Times. Since it’s Republican electors, the silence is deafening. To its credit, our local ABC affiliate reports on what’s being done to North Carolina electors: An “irritant” in one of the letters, vandalized cars, threats, and attempted bribes. If this disgraceful campaign were to succeed it would be very destructive to our country’s election process.

Katherine
December 19, 2016

Electoral votes are being cast, and so far, no surprises.

Meanwhile, the Charlotte City Council has repealed its oppressive “bathroom bill,” and in response, as promised, Gov. McCrory is calling a special session of the legislature to repeal HB2. Of course, the Charlotte refusal to do this earlier had nothing to do with the gubernatorial election. Nope. And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. To their great discredit, the local ACC universities voted with the ACC to move the championship out of North Carolina. I won’t be watching.

Elaine S.
December 19, 2016

“our local ABC affiliate reports on what’s being done to North Carolina electors”

A couple of commenters over at AoSHQ report that the NC electors sang “God Bless America” as they went to cast their votes (all of which went to Trump).

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
December 19, 2016

See…had this Left-wing nut job stayed on the reservation with respect to gender enlightenment, he would never have made this error born out of his deep-seated patriarchal bias that this elector would be a man.

Katherine
December 19, 2016

I believe they did, Elaine S. They gathered not far from the Capitol building and walked over together singing “God Bless America” to the hundred or so protesters in the street. There was no violence.

Katherine
December 19, 2016

So far, it appears that Clinton has lost more “faithless elector” votes than did Trump.

Scott W.
December 19, 2016

Wow. I think only Y2K rivals this in the much-ado-about-nothing department.

unreconstructed rebel
December 19, 2016

As it all turns out, four Democrat electors went off the reservation while only two Republicans did.

Je suis content.

Mark
December 19, 2016

u.r. – I’m not content. That’s six too many. This year has set the precedent that elector’s votes are negotiable and that it is cool to vote differently from how you’re directed just to show how cool and superior you are. That is not something we want to see more of in future elections. Opens up way too much room for doubt.

sybil marshall
December 19, 2016

Mark, I’m worried about the precedent (and several other precedents of this year, as well) too.

And it’s enough to further feed the Not Legitimate narrative, since we can bet numbers will not accompany the “disputed in the Electoral College” line.

Jim
December 20, 2016

Meanwhile, Trump Derangement Syndrome keeps on ramping up. These are just two that lefty co-workers sent to me today:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-nazi-propaganda-coordinate_us_58583b6fe4b08debb78a7d5c

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Unprecedented-More-than-100-million-trees-10624642.php

They are really having a mental breakdown.

Jim
December 20, 2016

Oops, sorry, the second one I got should be this:

http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/2016/12/19/the-trump-era-how-wildly-doomed-are-we/#photo-782236

(But it links to the hundred million dead trees article (Bush’s fault? or Trump’s fault?))

Ed the Roman
December 20, 2016

Oh, it’s Mark Morford of Lightworker fame!

Katherine
December 20, 2016

His lights appear to be going out, Ed. Burning out.

Three states had mechanisms in place to prevent faithless elector votes (Maine, Minnesota, Colorado). All legislatures need to pass laws providing that votes contrary to the state popular vote will be discarded, the elector replaced with one who will vote appropriately.

Carolyn
December 20, 2016

The Electoral College reflects the popular vote – on a state-by-state basis. Hillary won California, so she got all 55 of CA’s EC votes. etc. rinse and repeat.

It’s so simple we could do it in our underwear.
🙂

Stephen
December 21, 2016

I’m not sure if the celebrities knew their videos would be meaningless and are just virtue-signaling, or if they really thought that their celebrity status would let them overturn a presidential election. And frankly, I’m not sure which is worse.

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