Vicki isn’t lying. If you include all the GLBT folks who will eventually flock to his churches, all the Roman Catholics who will see the light and follow Fr. Cutie, all Duke University employees who allegedly sell their adopted children for sex and the Druids in the New Hampshire woods, then his growth figures are perfectly accurate. Ya gotta know Episcopo accounting practices to unnerstan this stuff.

Chris, Chris, Chris! How many times must we tell you that the PB et alia have decided that growth is a neutral term like acceleration. Ignorant hick types refer to acceleration (and growth) as increasing in speed (numbers). Genuinely smart, savvy types KNOW that acceleration is also the term for decreasing speed. It’s just the flyover hicks that think deceleration is a legitimate term. They treat growth the same way. By this crriteria VGR’s Diocese has had phenomenal growth since his consecration. Although the cynical might say that is due to the fact that his diocese is the one place IN THE WORLD you are LEAST LIKELY to encounter him physically present.

See how it’s done.

This is NOT a lie! IT IS GROWTH TE”c”c-ite styling.

The entire edifice is constructed of lies.

He’s not only the openly gay bishop from NH, he’s the virulently gay bishop from new hampshire. Hell, he turned the whole church into a bunch of sodomites.

It is sinful to call any human being, even oneself, by the unscriptural terms, ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ or use the agenda concepts: ’sexual orientation’ ’sexual identity’. This is the fatal flaw of the Windsor/Lambeth Resolution 1.10. There is no such thing as ‘gay’. It’s an invention of the agendites to persuade people that there is a ‘gay/straight’ dichotomy that is unchanging and no one [sigh, whine] can ever change.

God does not recognize an identity or orientation based on a conditioned human emotional physical response. Scripture includes everyone in its mandates and recognizes only two orientations - obedient surrender to God and rebellion against God and His Law/Word. I Corinthians 6:9-11, Galatians 5:24 and Romans 1:18-32 are completely inclusive and unconditional. God is able to us to the uttermost: Hebrews 7:25

People who have a real relationship with God know that His presence is more wonderful than any earthly happiness. He is the source of the highest joy.

That is why this whole stupid church issue makes me so angry. It is not just that promiscuity/adultery/homosexuality are being exempted/excused/condoned - it is that Jesus Christ is not being honored and valued above one’s sex life.
Worse than that - God’s holy Truth, Love, Life and the Gospel and Faith are not cherished, guarded, kept, taught, believed, exercised, implemented, but the holy things and even the Name of Jesus are being distorted, polluted, eroded, counterfeited, misused, compromised and denied.

It is that those who are supposed to be Christ’s (clergy, prayer ministers, laity), who are supposed to help and lead people out of sin, are doing just the opposite, calling good evil and approving evil, calling it good, disregarding wounds caused by sin, pronouncing peace where there is no peace. (Romans 1:32, Isaiah 5:20, Jeremiah 6:14, 8:11)

“We don’t want to raise our daughters in a church that doesn’t value young people in our church.”

a “church” that is pro abortion doesn’t value young people you horrible twit…

“We don’t want to raise our daughters in a church that doesn’t value young people in our church.”

Yes, that non sequitur raised my eyebrows as well. People do say the darnedest things, but I have my doubts as to whether that is a real quote from a real ex-Catholic couple really joining “T”"E”"C.” The only genuine element to it is its illogic: it would have made more sense and served Gene’s purpose (access to the chasuble closet the right of everyone baptized and his mother) better to have said “a church that doesn’t value women.”

From the article:

” Of course, the possibility of there being another gay bishop in the House is something I’ve longed for for a long time. But I didn’t feel like talking. I felt very sober.

1. This from someone who has been basking in the limelight for 5 years now and probably dreads the prospect of having to relinquish that spot to anyone, “gay” or otherwise? And

2. He felt “very sober”? - this from a recovering alcoholic? That’s rich.

“We don’t want to raise our daughters in a church that doesn’t value young people in our church.”

Try “World Youth Days” to start off with.

OTOH dammit!!! Perhaps he does mean that ther Catholics do not look favourably on premarital sex, contraception and abortion. And what about the censure against lesbianism. Now that really is a degradation of the value of “our daughters”.s/-off

Is it not interesting that for the TEO especiaslly and Anglicans generally, the biggest triumph is a “poke” in the eye for the Catholics. What the Catholics say however is please, please, please, have all the Cuties, and the Schoris and all the other people of that ilk who may be heading your way and we will have those much larger numbers heading our other way. From what I gather the character and Christian calibre of one group is infintely more to be desired than the other. One believes that the Love of God is to be interpreted in the light of the “current mores” and is therefore reduced to “lurve”. The other is prepared to face the challenges and clings to the Hope and Promise of the Father, through the Risen Chrsst in the Unity of the Holy Spirit. Indeed the Holy Spirit works in mysterious way.

I agree totally with LaValette’s preceding post. Who can doubt that, in exchanging the likes of Matthew Fox for John Saward or Jim Naughton for David Mills or Alberto Cutey for Jeffrey Steenson (or, to be rec’d today with his wife and six children, Jeffrey Steel of the de cura animarum blog) the Catholic Church has got gold in return for mud. but as regards this statement:

“What the Catholics say however is please, please, please, have all the Cuties, and the Schoris and all the other people of that ilk who may be heading your way and we will have those much larger numbers heading our other way”

my impression over the years has been that the number of Catholics becoming Episcopalian in any given year has exceeded the traffic in the other direction, naturally enough, because of the disparity in size between The Expiring Cult and the Catholic Church. I would be pleased to be wrong about this, though.

I have the same impression re numbers, Dr. T. But what I have personally observed is that most Catholics who have bailed had a poor understanding of what they were leaving behind. Protestants who pope usually know EXACTLY what they were leaving and why.

Fox and Naughton and Cutie are exceptions to the usual ignorance, of course, but their conduct or teaching was such that we wanted them out of the pulpit anyway, at least until some retired Jesuit Navy chaplains from the Fleet Marine Force had 12 weeks to straighten them out.

“Terry Mattingly catches Robbie lying through his teeth.”

His life and vocation have been nothing but lies. Why would this interview be any different?

“Liar, liar. Pants on fire”

Hmmmmm. It gives new meaning to the term flamer.

RE :“What the Catholics say however is please, please, please, have all the Cuties, and the Schoris and all the other people of that ilk who may be heading your way and we will have those much larger numbers heading our other way”

Whatever the numbers are in the US still holds on Episcopal/Anglican traffic (espicially in UK) on a world wide basis. In any case, as I said the Spirit works in mysterious ways and the more CINO’s that leave the Catholic Church the more faithful to the message of Christ it becomes.

the number of Catholics becoming Episcopalian in any given year has exceeded the traffic in the other direction

I wouldn’t doubt this. But, in my experience, it usually has more to do with irregular marital status than with a sea change in theological convictions. Catholic converts to fundamentalism may make the switch for theological reasons (usually under the influence of sheep stealers from the fundy side). But Catholic converts to Episcopalianism — in my experience at least — more often want to have their smells & bells and their license to sin at the same time. I was one of ‘em — I Piskied so I could live with my boyfriend without feeling guilty about it. By the Grace of God alone, I am now back home in Rome. (And have been married to said boyfriend for 27 years now.)