DEUCE-9 OFF-SUIT AND ALL-IN

Posted by Christopher Johnson | Friday, July 17th, 2009 | Uncategorized | 8 Comments

The Church Times admits that recognition of the Anglican Church in North America is probably the Anglican Communion’s last chance:

Of course, the accommodations this has required (not the same as compromises) have been too much for some. But unless the Communion can embrace ACNA, whose views are no different from many African provinces, and the US Episcopal Church and its web of global sympathisers, it is not trying hard enough. The great challenge of the 21st century is how people of different faiths can live together. If Christians cannot find the love that transcends differences within their own Church, how can they speak about unity to others in parts of the world where it is a matter of life and death?

To which Tim Fountain has a four-word reply.  Too little, too late.

Lost a good Vestry member. At my request, he will be detailing his decision in a letter to be shared with the Vestry and sent on to the Diocese.

Lost at least 3 young families and a bunch of kids.

A couple of these losses are families that were the first fruits of members taking the risk of evangelism – this is going to hurt morale very badly here.

One of them said, “I just can’t see myself inviting other people, knowing what the denomination is really doing. So how can I stay?”

Recognition of ACNA prior to General Convention might have made a difference.  It might have strengthened the hand of the Communion Partner bishops and gotten the Episcopal Organization to stand down.

But now that TEO has shed the last vestiges of the Christian religion, recognition solves nothing and changes nothing.  Indeed, it may even make things worse.

Leave aside the fact that ACNA itself is an internally-iffy proposition.  Forget the fact that Anglican Christianity will contain two churches with mutually-exclusive messages.  All allowing ACNA into the club achieves is to insure that North American Anglicanism will be in a perpetual state of war.

The Episcopalians and the North American Anglicans are not only at cross-purposes with one another, they are actively hostile to one another.  Once the lawsuits are settled one way or the other, ACNA will spend a good deal if not most of its time issuing position papers explaining why what we preach is the Gospel of Christ and what they preach is not.

Can it work?  If ACNA recognition is coupled with an immediate reduction in TEO’s status(still officially Anglican but with no more Covenant input, Mrs. Schori doesn’t get to go to Primates Meetings while Archbishop Duncan does), then there’s the slimmest of chances, particularly if ACNA accepts an eventual Covenant and TEO does not.

Is any of that going to happen?  No.

8 Comments to DEUCE-9 OFF-SUIT AND ALL-IN

Peter C.
July 17, 2009

Doesn’t he realize that the loss of a few, backward, ignorant bigots will be offset by the flood of enlightened homosexual elites from all over the Sioux Falls, SD, area into his parish? Besides, it’s not like families have the disposable income his new parishioners will.

JM
July 17, 2009

If TEO stays in, who could be ruled out? What logical basis is there to distinguish between the belief of the TEO controlling elite in special latter-day revelation contrary to Scripture, and the self-proclaimed prophet of any Kool-Aid drinking cult?

Mark
July 17, 2009

The legitimacy of TEC is rooted in the fact that its bishops received their consecration in direct succession from the very same ignorant bigoted superstitious misogynist homophobes who founded the church. You can’t take that away from them, ever.

Dave
July 17, 2009

I rise in the spirit of Indaba
(I’ve been waiting all week to have an excuse to use that phrase)
to clearly and unequivally state my approval and yet total rejection of the obfuscation which we all should eschew. This statement should not be taken to imply any particular stance in regard to the motions before us, but rather a willingness to listen to the sense of each person’s personal story.

If anyone can make any sense of the above, then I’m slipping. I’m just in training for GC ’12.

I have been baptized.

goddessoftheclassroom
July 17, 2009

If I were a cat, my tail would be twitching over this sentence:

“But a swath of US conservatives has since left to form the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA), thus undermining the moratorium’s purpose.”

So it’s the fault of the traditional and orthodox who tried EVERYTHING to temper the TEC and some of whom, such as Bishop Duncan, were deposed.

Grrrrrrrr…

Michael
July 17, 2009

GC’09 has, to me, been even more Pythonesque than any previous one. It reminds me of this clip from The Life of Brian – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c .

Matthew
July 17, 2009

Michael, I think you have ’em pegged.

As for the main point, I’m a bit more hopeful than our good host. But then again, I’ve always been an optimist.

gppp
July 17, 2009

Give Rowan a couple of weeks (maybe a month) to deep-six TEC or I’ll be the one to adorn the photo in the sacristy with the loser’s “L.”

Just you wait.

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