At first I thought that the secret panel was an odd tactic. Then I remembered how many good ideas have been strangled in TEC by the extremely adept left and their petty politicking. I refrenced this in another thread vis a vis the 20/20 Evangelism initiative that they throughly eviscerated by their segmenting the initiative (and it resources) towards specific “groups” of people. Just more yech!

“I have been baptised.”

So what?

Louie, Louie,

Look at Romans 2 (the chapter that comes right after Romans 1:18-32 that tells us those who are having homosexual relations have suppressed the truth of God that nature teaches us and are in rebellion against God and if anyone approves of that kind of activity or those who do it, they are in the same boat with God) verses 25-29 and they will tell you that circumcision and baptism without heart conversion and change of action so that you WANT to obey the laws and commandments and actually love them (see Psalm 119 and John 14:15-John 15:11)
THAT is BAPTISM.

What you and your buddies are doing is not, you just got wet and someone said some words over you. If you don’t live it and love it, it ain’t real. Jesus demands to be Lord of ALL. Every thought, word and deed.

What you are preaching and doing is outright rebellion.

PS – I have prayed for you, Louie. Jesus will receive you, if you will come to Him and give Him your whole heart – complete Lordship over everything. You have nothing but brass, iron…dung as Paul says. Jesus wants you to know Him. The real Gospel is powerful, true and real. Jesus is able to save you to the uttermost.

Lots of people have been baptised.

I imagine he is invoking the Baptismal Covenant, the idea that being baptised means you have full rights and privileges for all things in the church.

Which seems to be also rooted in clericalism, that is: if someone is refused access to ordination/consecration, that person is a second-class or inferior member of the church. The natural corollary of that, of course, is that we must all be ordained and consecrated, otherwise we are being denied our full baptismal rights and are being treated as inferior. It doesn’t stop with “if you don’t allow women/GLBT to be ordained, you are perpetuating a two-tier system”; if there is a woman bishop and a male layman, then the layman is in the lower status position and should be ordained immediately.

Or you could go the whole hog like some Protestant denominations, toss the sacramental ministry, declare all members of the congregation members of the royal priesthood and govern by elders. Might be more honest?

Louie is upset because things aren’t going his way. He can’t have what he wants when he wants it. Geez. Who speculated that homosexuality is an arrested stage of adolescence?

Louie Crew: “I was baptized”

Chris Johnson: “So was Stalin. What’s your point, Lou?”

Louie Crew: “I have been baptized.”

Whitestone: “So what?”

LOL. Good job, folks. That summed it up concisely.

Why the theological view from Mr. Crew to suggest that baptism forgives all future sins subsequent to your baptism if you don’t think they are sins, and even if you don’t repent of them? That is truly an odd bit of hermeneutics.

And as several people on SFIF pointed out the family scenario sounded very derivative from scenes of both “To Kill A Mockingbird” and “Places In The Heart.” And naturally Louie knows that his grandpappy would have approved of homosexuality and marriage for gays because of course the oppression of gays in the U.S. is just like the kidnapping and enforced enslavement of millions of people of color. It’s just like being frequently lynched and hanged such as people of color had to deal with. It’s just like being denied voting rights and the ability to go to school. Gays have to stand in the back of the bus and drink from separate water fountains too. Yepper-not a hill of beans of difference between the two groups. ((Insert major eye-roll.))

Mr. Crew seems to think that he possesses not merely Baptismal Infallibility, but Baptismal Indefectability.

If the Pope doesn’t have it, why would he?

Narcissism (sounds like a serpent’s hiss, doesn’t it?) gives a person feelings of superiority and entitlement…and if they have a religious bent, they may start believing they ARE popes and emperors.

KJS, Spong, VGR, Bruno are each petit popes in their own minds. TEC seems to attract them. Must be the purple shirts, cathedrals, grand homes and salaries.

If the Pope doesn’t have it, why would he?

Haven’t you noticed, Ed? It’s apparently a charism that accompanies homosexual tendencies.

If they don’t know the identities of those on the committee, then they won’t know who to intimidate like they did to Proposition 8 supporters in California. This defeats their primary tactic.

McGreggor -
…This defeats their primary tactic.

Which is probably why the names of the theological committee have not been released. From what I have read, the committee is made up of four revisionists and four conservative/orthohox, what have you. I think the plan is to present the argument for the homosex case and the argument against the homosex case. Fair and balanced, right?

Then whoever votes on it cna claim they listened to both sides before endorsing the LGBT agenda. What Louie has his panties in a wad about is that there will be an opposition report. He would rather the opposition not be heard at all! For the Giblets, it is total control and dominance that matter. They will brook no opposition.

Talk about oppression!

“I have been baptised.”

So what?

Louie, Louie, See Matthew 7.21-29, but especially verse 21

He’s either evil, a lunatic, or both. The thought that this guy was a lauded professor at a major university (instead of being in a state mental hospital) shows you how bad “academia” has become.

I was at the Denver and Minneapolis General Conventions. Deputies were infatuated with him but they didn’t know why. Bishops feared him.

If only the mainstream of the remaining middle or pew-sitters of TEO could see the absolute perverted CRAP buried in all of the data on his website – and understand how much power this complete jackass has!

Odd that even one Louie would attack +Parsley. He, +Parsley, has an unbroken record of taking it slowly, but supporting the concept that gays should have the official recognition and approval they want, and that once that is done, all the dissension in TEO will go away. Louie has in the past shown he can be patient. Perhaps he is starting to get worried.

Yet another example of a libchurcher who makes an idol out of being baptized. As if getting your head wet magically makes one a faithful Christian.

Another one for Louie — If what you do is normal and natural, why are so many of your freinds dead?

Stalin also went to seminary.

Redundant whining, “in your face” photos, weak theology and derivative, manipulative personal stories should not be a reason to fear him. He was a college professor? Wow; So were both my parents; He’s gay?; Some people I very love very much are too. The don’t behave like sex obsessed adolescents and put pictures on their websites where they are shown pinching the nipples of men or women half their age-or any age. He may be an Episcopalian. He may have a fairly good command of English. If he’s a poet and a Christian, he’s sure as heck is no George Herbert.

“I have been baptized.”

This is the core theological heresy of the Episcopal Church, upon which all its other heresies hang.

That is, that baptism is a magical “Get Out Of Hell Free” card, no matter how wicked you are. Without any repentance, without any obedience to the Lord.

Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Never has.

You can mouth your “Baptismal Covenant” (TM) all you want, but it will be worth nothing before the Judgment Seat.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’”

Actually, George Herbert was an Anglican-not an Episcopalian, However, in reading his poetic works and his prose work, “The Country Parson”, one discerns a great spirit of humility. I don’t get that impression fron anything I have seen from Louis Crew.

Fenelonspoke sez:
…one discerns a great spirit of humility. I don’t get that impression from anything I have seen from Louis Crew.

That is because Louis Crew is lacking in that department. He has had things his way for so long that he has allowed himself to start believing his own publicity.

What would Louie Crew’s grandfather think if he could read this? If he could see his grandson now?

As I’ve said before:

I have been baptized. By the authority vested in me by that sacrament and the ‘logic’ used by people like this, I hereby demand the recantation of all errors by TEO and their submission to Pope Benedict XVI, who will determine what needs to be done to reconcile TEO to the Catholic Church.