PRE-CHOKE

Wednesday, May 7th, 2014 | Uncategorized

This is actually impressive when you think about it.  We’re still two and a half years from the next US presidential election, Hillary Clinton hasn’t even formally announced that she’s running yet and her potential campaign is already imploding:

“We have to rein in what has become [an] almost article of faith, that anybody can own a gun anywhere, anytime. And I don’t believe that,” [Mrs. Clinton] said, as applause drowned her out.

She painted a dark picture, warning that, “At the rate we’re going, we’re going to have so many people with guns everywhere, fully licensed, fully validated, in settings where [one] could be in a movie theater, and they don’t like someone chewing gum loudly or talking on their cell phone and decide they have the perfect right to defend themselves against the gum chewer or cell phone user by shooting.”

UPDATE: Good luck running on this, Hill.

“We must stand up to terrorism,” bleated Hillary Clinton a few days ago in a tweet expressing outrage against Boko Haram, the jihadist organization that has abducted hundreds of young girls in Nigeria. Yet, when she was actually in a position to stand up to Boko Haram’s terrorism as secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton instead protected the group.

After numerous Boko Haram atrocities, Republicans attempted to force Secretary Clinton to designate the group or explain why she refused to do so. The State Department heavily lobbied against the legislation. Only after John Kerry replaced Clinton, and after a series of jihadist bombings against churches and other targets, did the State Department finally relent and add Boko Haram to the terrorist list last November.

58 Comments to PRE-CHOKE

Daniel Muller
May 7, 2014

She says that like it is a bad thing.

Has she ever heard of a shooting in a movie theater by an unlicensed gun owner? It seems that I have …

Bill (not IB)
May 8, 2014

When Hilary can show us statistics indicating that licensed gun owners are committing the majority of gun crimes, it might be worth listening to.

As things stand, licensed owners *save* more lives (through crime prevention/interruption) than take them.

Antone who thinks that someone who is licensed for concealed carry would freak out over chewing gum must have gum for brains.

Lakeland Two
May 8, 2014

That incident happened in Florida… You know, Jeb Bush’s state. I don’t think that is a coincidence.

LaVallette
May 8, 2014

And if elected this person will swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States, with her fingers crossed behind her back (much like the present incumbent did when he swore to uphold the laws of the same United States).

Bill2
May 8, 2014

Of course how many made of fairy tales/wishful thinking on the part of gun control advocates that any place that passes “shall issue” gun permit legislation will become like “the wild west” with shoot-outs on the corner every day when the clock hits High-Noon ever come true?

It’s just a lazy, leftist/statist meme that has zero basis in fact. Everyone says Hilary and Obama are smart. I’ve never seen any evidence they are. They can be clever, but they just seem to repeat the same lazy lefty cliches as their positions.

Creedal Epicopalian
May 8, 2014

Smart does not preclude evil

unreconstructed rebel
May 8, 2014

Oh, I don’t know. Blasting away at a case of cell-yell sounds downright righteous.

Daniel aka Fisherman
May 8, 2014

The only one’s that are more ignorant on the subject of licensed concealed handgun carriers (CHL) than the one spouting this drivel are the one’s cheering it.

Bob the Ape
May 8, 2014

Bill2 says, “It’s just a lazy, leftist/statist meme that has zero basis in fact.”

There’s less than zero evidence. 39 states already have shall-issue laws and none of them have become the killing fields of Clinton’s fantasies.

Marie Blocher
May 8, 2014

While states that ban gun ownership have the highest incident of killing by guns(unlicensed).
NRA’s slogan “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” is proven in Illinois.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

That Democrats appear to be considering running this woman for President is an indictment of their party. She was an enabler of her husband’s philandering for decades, assisting in tamping down the “bimbo eruptions.” During her tenure as Secretary of State, an ambassador was murdered by Islamists in a location which should have had better security (which the ambassador had asked for). She lied about the event after the fact. These two items scarcely skim the surface of her negatives. If she were not female and the wife of a former President, surely even Democrats would not be overlooking all her political baggage.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

Plus, there’s a report this morning pointing out that the Hillary Clinton State Dept. refused to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist group, despite recommendations from Justice, FBI and CIA.

Whitestone
May 8, 2014

The Florida movie theater shooting was committed by a retired Law Enforcement officer.

We are seeing more and more police brutality, excessive force and downright lawlessness – the off-duty cops misbehaving on motorcycles beating up a guy trying to get away from them in NY state, to choking a non-resisting student in Tennessee, shooting elderly homeowners (93 year old woman in Texas, 80 year old man Queens NY, 61 year old man in Lebanon TN) innocent citizens in California during the Christopher Dorner manhunt, and more.

Allen Lewis
May 8, 2014

Facts to the contrary and lack of evidence to support their position have never deterred the Progressives/Liberals in their march to control every aspect of our lives. That is because they just “know” they are right, no matter what anyone else might say.

I would also like to see the questions that were asked in those polls she was citing where there was a “small majority” who wanted to repeal ACA but a “larger majority” wanted to “fix it.”

Problem is, ACA is such a hash, it cannot be fixed.

Whitestone
May 8, 2014

As for Hillary, her character was revealed with her very first political ‘job’ on the Nixon investigation when she stole papers, fabricated (lied) facts and was FIRED.

Same woman, same MO. She is consistently dishonest, lawless.

Nothing to do with Billy Jeff and his various actual rapes, se xual assaults, se dual harrassments and general misbehavior with women.

Hillary’s biggest sins are her own doings.

Being Queen of Planned Parenthood is the biggest of her sins.

Hillary’s primary agenda as Secretary of State was pushing the Obama/leftist se xual agenda: Women’s Reproductive Rights/Health (aka abortion) and approval of ABCDXYZ sexuality – making US foreign aid contingent upon going along with their agenda.

Obama and Hillary are the Cult of Death’s Supreme operatives.

Scott W.
May 8, 2014

Get used to her because whatever can of spam the GOP slops on our plate will not prevail.

Winston
May 8, 2014

I try to avoid conversations with people like Hillary but, when they become unavoidable, I have one standard tactic that works rather well: “Tell me about the facts.”

Gilbert
May 8, 2014

Is it not hypocritical that she chose a movie theater as the location for her scenario? Is that not the place where your are most likely to see weapons and people dying being promoted as entertainment and a means of corporations to make money?

Dave
May 8, 2014

They said the same thing when Virginia became a right to carry state. “It’ll be like Dodge City!!!”

Didn’t happen. The law abiding people are still law abiding, and haven’t shot up the town yet.

Just granting the RIGHT to carry a weapon doesn’t mean that most people will actually DO it, or if they do that they will actually shoot someone.

Most folks just leave the things at home. Still, it’s nice to know that you can take it to the range or elsewhere when you need to.

BobF
May 8, 2014

“don’t like someone chewing gum loudly or talking on their cell phone and decide they have the perfect right to defend themselves”

Waitaminute. Not liking a legal activity that someone else is doing, and then taking offense and thinking that you need to “defend” yourself against that person by using coercive force?

That sounds like the liberal mindset (here’s one typical example: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/373194/feminist-studies-professor-accused-attacking-teenage-female-pro-life-demonstrator-alec).

Could it be that Hillary is projecting her idiotic worldview onto other people and thus raising a canard?

Jacob Morgan
May 8, 2014

Run on the subject that handed captain awesome a crushing and total defeat last year when exactly none of the democrat gun grabbing laws were passed, that is great strategy. Keep it up please. A lot of people (thank you Mark Shea–attaboy) did not turn out last election. Some of them would have turned out for 2nd amendment issues, but saw no distinction between Romney and Obama on that point. So get the ball rolling lady, the NRA cost the Demoncrats the legislative branch in 1994, so please pick that fight.

What puzzles me about the longing for the Clinton economy is that, he did nothing to build that economy. The Reagan expansion was still going. There was a brief and mild recession (that the media hyped into the Great Depression part II) that was over before he took office, and was back before he left office. Reaganimics, agree with it or not, had very specific theories, and legislation and Federal Reserve actions to implement those theories. Clinton held onto Bush’s appointee Greenspan, and basically did not do much of anything else, except to balance the budget when the Republican congress challenged spending. That was (temporarily) helped through higher capital gains receipts during the dot.com bubble and then in the accounting scandals, which masked the deindustrialization of the country that gathered steam on his watch. His one claim to economic fame was that he did not mess up too badly what was handed to him. Hillary can’t duplicate that outcome, as not messing up the status quo leaves the status quo, and the status quo is the problem.

Michal
May 8, 2014

Hilliarious (=Hillbillary) delenda est!

sybil marshall
May 8, 2014

Thank you, Hilldebeast; the stupid, it hurts so bad that it is distracting me from my very painful bad knee. So is the chuckle it gives me to think of Hilldebeast thundering into view on this subject just as the 0 Machine tries to shift attention to Climate Hysteria. OM– oooh, I like that– OM. OMMMMMM– doing the latter, as tornado season conveniently arrives to be a Benghazi squirrel!, is too creepy to be funny (especially when you live at the northeast end of Tornado Alley). But as for Hilldebeast’s apparent wish to engage on firearms rights…Bring It.

FW Ken
May 8, 2014

The problem with gun control is that cliches are true: guns really don’t kill people, people really do kill people. And when guns are outlawed, I guarentee that only outlaws will have guns. More on that in a minute.

But let’s it down for a minute.

A fair few gun murders are crimes of passion. Those can be expected to decrease if guns aren’t available. Of course, there is the guy who strangled his wife after an argument, and there are butcher knives (been watching the old Halloween flicks). But granted that most crimes of passion are gun-related. Knives just don’t do the job in cases of road rage.

Psychotics, who make up the bulk of the high-profile mass killings, would not have access to guns they usually steal from their families or obtain legally. So there would be less of that.

Angst-ridden teenagers shooting up the school? They could turn to knives, like that last one. Or they could just marinate in their feelings until they kill themselves.

Which leaves the criminal element (my day job, remember). I guarantee – I promise you – the black market that exists already will go crazy. No gang-banger in town will be without his weapon of choice. The good news is that they usually just kill each other, but others get caught in the cross-fire too often. The hard-core gangsters, though, will go on a tear.

As interesting as I find this (sorry about the rest of you), it’s really irrelevant. Hillary is playing to the media that has made a lot of money hyping gun control. The good news is that if she runs, the Republicans can play over and over that 3 o’clock in the morning commercial from ’08 justaposed with pictures of Benghazi. Because that’s the real Hillary.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

Yes, I’ve been thinking about that 3 o’clock phone call. It turned out that neither Obama nor H. Clinton answered the call.

Jim
May 8, 2014

At the risk of sounding racist, I just recently read an article that concludes from analyzing crime statistics if you take out black-on-black gun violence, the homicide rate due to guns drops by about 75%.

Scott W.
May 8, 2014

At the risk of sounding racist, I just recently read an article that concludes from analyzing crime statistics if you take out black-on-black gun violence, the homicide rate due to guns drops by about 75%.

This is why it has been remarked that black violent crime in America is the de facto militant wing of Progressives.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

Certainly black and Latino gang violence is the large part of American gun violence, and blacks and Latinos are the primary victims. Taking legal guns away from other groups won’t make much of a dent in this crime rate; in fact, if the gangs knew the more affluent areas were now without defense, crime would probably increase.

There are law-abiding people living in these gang-ridden areas and if they had guns and were able to defend themselves, the crime rate might improve some.

John
May 8, 2014

In 1996 Australia severely limited access to guns and gun ownership. Prior to the restriction there had been 13 mass killings, since the restriction none. There are ways and means to lower gun crimes we just don’t have the fire power to over come NRA propaganda.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

Australia doesn’t seem to have the undercurrent of gang violence which is here in the US, so it’s probably not a good comparison. The vast number of gun killings in the US are gang-related, despite the publicity which goes with these horrible mass shootings by the deranged. The publicity may feed the phenomenon.

dwstroudmd+
May 8, 2014

Yes, John, but England has had both. Cherry pick all you want.

What about the relation to demographics and gun violence, John? Any comments or considerations?

FW Ken
May 8, 2014

This will shock you all, but John cherry picked his stats. I goggled “murder rates in Australia”; most of the hits concerned the effects of the gun buy out. The MSM outlets (the usual suspects) drooled on themselves citing stats that made Australia look like a paradise of safety. Other articles made it sound like the wild west. A Factcheck article and this Snopes article made the most sense to me. There was a definite uptick in crime rates after guns went away, then it dropped. The Snopes article does a good job of looking at the stats, then finishes with the common sense observation that Australia and the U.S. are very different societies.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

John
May 8, 2014

Pointing out that Australia has had no mass killings since it restricted guns is a fact not cherry picking. Robberies and assaults are similar between the US and Australia but gun deaths are significantly higher in the US. For arguments sake I will not challenge that gang related gun deaths are responsible for fifty percent of the deaths but that still leaves thousands of others with no other explanation but the availability of a gun. There are just too many guns out there and America is in no mood to eradicate them.

Christopher Johnson
May 8, 2014

Then you’ve got one option, John. Revise the Second Amendment by constitutional process. Passing a constitutional amendment, sending it to the states, getting 3/4 of them to agree and so on. Once you do that, the argument is over. But you might want to dial down the “NRA propaganda” line. Suggesting that most of the American people are impressionable morons is no way to win friends and influence people.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

Re: your update, Chris. This Sec. of State whose only claimed accomplishment is pushing for women’s rights around the world declined to designate Boko Haram as terrorists — and is now saying Boko Haram’s abduction of hundreds of girls for use as sex slaves is just terrible. It’s terrible, Hil, and it’s permitted by and encouraged by the sharia which these Islamist groups adhere to. If you’d opened your eyes at State maybe you’d have implemented better policies.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

OT: So your Rams didn’t take Johnny Football after all.

John
May 8, 2014

Chris. If you can control enough members of Congress who cares what the majority think and if you can have a minority elect a majority in the House so much the better for you.

Katherine
May 8, 2014

“If you can control enough members of Congress who cares what the majority think.” That’s a pretty good description of how the ACA was passed by Democrats only.

Winston
May 8, 2014

John, I live in Connecticut, within a few miles of Sandy Hook. As an example of gun violence, we have been saturated with this story. Last Christmas, while we were driving through Newtown, the Sirius channel played the Coventry Carol. I had to pull over, and my wife and I sat and wept.

Realistically, however, I do not know how how we could write laws that would effectively deal with the level of irresponsibility of Nancy Lanza’s denial of her son’s condition, nor do I believe that many of us would want to live in a nation so restricted.

I continue to wish you would go away.

Christopher Johnson
May 8, 2014

Sorry, John. You’re still calling American voters morons and I can’t see that as a winning strategy this year or in 2016.

Kc
May 8, 2014

As a matter of fact most Americans take the Bill of Rights as “almost an article of faith”

Dale Matson
May 8, 2014

There is a stupid man inside Hillary trying to get out. She would be worse than the present POTUS. Lady Macbeth

gppp
May 8, 2014

Jim — What you cite helps explain why a certain 13% of the American population contributes about 50% of its prison population. As for me, I lived in Prince George’s County, Maryland for six years and now understand why that is.

John
May 8, 2014

Chris. Your words not mine.

The Editor
May 8, 2014

I’m happy with it so far. Just wish we’d gotten a top-flight wide receiver. And Johnny Football’s still out there, at least for now. ;-)

Christopher Johnson
May 8, 2014

Project much, John? You’re the one prattling on about how powerful the NRA allegedly is, not me.

FW Ken
May 8, 2014

gppp -

The relationship of race to crime is complicated, but to the prison population, not so complicated. Blacks get convicted and sentenced more harshly than whites. That’s a fact. I see it every day.

We have a pretty little rich white boy here who got drunk and killed and paralyzed some people. He got probation, but then got sent to substance abuse treatment first. I guarantee a black kid would be doing hard time.

Truth Unites... and Divides
May 8, 2014

“As for Hillary, her character was revealed with her very first political ‘job’ on the Nixon investigation when she stole papers, fabricated (lied) facts and was FIRED.

Same woman, same MO. She is consistently dishonest, lawless.”

Just your regular garden variety Lib.

Elaine S.
May 9, 2014

“NRA’s slogan “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns,” is proven in Illinois.”

In case you haven’t heard, Illinois DOES now have “shall issue” concealed carry — the very first permits were mailed out in early April. It took a federal court ruling to finally get our legislature to act, otherwise Rahmbo and Co. would have made sure no carry measure ever saw the light of day. However, the law was passed less than a year ago and the procedures for obtaining permits have only been in place for about 4 months so it’s too early to tell what kind of effect CCW has had on crime rates. Yes, Chicago had a significant drop in murders early this year but that was probably more due to gangbangers and the like not wanting to go out in 2 feet of snow and subfreezing temperatures, than with any change in the carry laws.

gppp
May 9, 2014

I know, Ken, it can’t be easy being black in this country. But the problem I had, in the most affluent majority-black jurisdiction in the country, was that in my six years living there (my wife and daughters and I were the only white family within at least two blocks) virtually no one in my former neighborhood cared to do anything about the open crackhouse right next door, which saw as many a hundred customers a day. The police didn’t seem to care much, either, because as I learned, there’s just too much of a drug problem in the county that they can’t do much about it.

And guns are a part of the problem. One night a family very nearby had their living room picture window blown out by ten shots from a passing car; luckily they were in the back of the house at the time and were not hurt. Not too long after that, while stopped at a light in northeast DC, there was a gun chase right along the sidewalk; I had never seen anything like that.

My problem with all this was not the just the criminals, but those “law abiding” folk who just sat by and did nothing about it. What I learned from the experience was that those who tolerate crime around them are only going to get more of it. Add to that the nanny-state mentality in Maryland that lets so many go free (spend a day in a PG courtroom and you would see what I mean), and while I think it’s a sad way to live, I don’t have a hard time with conviction rates being as high as they are.

Complain all you want about how otherwise law-abiding citizens are harassed (as in driving while black), law-abiding citizens who don’t do anything about crime in their own backyard are indeed part of the problem. I moved out of PG mostly because of that, and because of that I will never live in a majority minority jurisdiction again. It’s just not worth the trouble, and my family deserves better.

Jacob Morgan
May 9, 2014

Re: Australia, Johnny boy needs to cite sources, in the meantime try this one:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

The fundamental point here is why do people want to disarm a people who’s freedom was born of their own armed rebellion? And how is it that public SERVANTS shall be armed whilst the people they work for, the public, are to be disarmed? Americans are free men and women, not subjects.

On Newtown, the awful reality is that there used to be a state mental hospital in that town. And if this were 40 years ago Adam would have been there for the past several years. I’m not, no one, is proposing a wholesale return to the asylum system of the 1950′s, but the deintitutionalization movement the Democrats started in the early 1960′s has to be recognized as being every bit as reckless as other hare brained schemes of the best and the brightest of that era. Compared to deinstitutionalization the Bay of Pigs invasion was a masterpiece of strategy and tactics. All of the mass shootings of recent history were either from a nutty Mohamedian or from someone with mental problems who in earlier times would have been kept safe. Now the two largest institutions for the mentally ill are Riker’s Island jail in NYC and the LA County Lockup–progress!

After deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, our public servants now graciously offer to fix it by making the whole country into one big asylum: no pointy objects, lots of surveillance cameras, more rules, more regulations, and more young men in white (actually SWAT black now) jackets. And yes, Hillary would be glad to be our very own Nurse Ratched, to keep the unwashed masses, the little people who did not go to Harvard or Yale, in their place, you know, for our own good.

gppp
May 9, 2014

Ken and Katherine –

As it turns out, the call came at about one in the afternoon, and nine hours later the POSUS had by most accounts done virtually nothing about it, while Hillary vainly lied to us with a press release blaming the attack on the video.

So Hillary sank her own campaign battleship with that question: Forget the phone ringing at 3am, why under heaven didn’t they answer the call that came at lunchtime?

The only possible answer is that it wasn’t expedient for either one of them, and that’s why they are both unfit for public office. Add IRS and Fast and Furious to it all, and once sufficient light is brought to bear, my bet is that POSUS will go down as the most subhuman administration in history.

Whitestone
May 9, 2014

Talk about dangerous, irresponsible, irrational, anger-driven shoot-outs.

State of the Art Excessive Response, committed by licensed open-carry law enforcement.

377 bullets fired at unarmed persons trying to give up, according to witnesses.

It’s a wonder there were no other victims of this wholesale assault….children and commuters, family homes were within sight and range of the incident.

Noise from the gunfire was so loud that two of the police suffered ruptured eardrums.

BobF
May 9, 2014

Boko Haram = “Western Education is evil”

No wonder Hill is so reluctant to denounce them. Her whole career seems to be an attempt to demonstrate the truth of their moniker.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
May 9, 2014

I think the GOP could get some milage out of a commercial showing Hillary ignoring a ringing phone.

gppp
May 9, 2014

Absolutely.

FW Ken
May 9, 2014

Whitestone, they shot a cop. I’m not saying the police response was appropriate – some heads should roll – but I understand it.

gppp, if seems to me that Benghazi was incompetence combined with neglect born of arrogance. The cover-up, however, was malicious.

There is one lesson in this, however. As hard as the media pushed on Nixon, he resigned when Congressional Republicans turned on him. During the Clinton scandals, the media was still more interested in scandal than partisan politics. Today, from what I read, Congressional Democrats are sick of Obama, but the media is covering for him. Scandal no longer carries the weight of media interest. They are purely partisan now.

dominic1955
May 12, 2014

“At the risk of sounding racist, I just recently read an article that concludes from analyzing crime statistics if you take out black-on-black gun violence, the homicide rate due to guns drops by about 75%.”

Its not racist-its true.

If I, by some magical freak accident, all of a sudden received dictatorial powers over the city I live in right now, I could pretty much end violent crime. I’d put the northern part (the ghetto) under Martial Law and go through it like a fine toothed comb with my troops, arresting anyone with illegal drugs/weapons. After that and a little clean up in some other parts of town, it would pretty much be like Mayberry.

Now, I don’t think a totalitarian police state response is the answer (obviously) but we all know where most of the BS comes from and it sure as hell isn’t from NRA members like me.

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