HOW TO BECOME AN EPISCOPAL SAINT

Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009 | Uncategorized

People often ask me, “Chris?  How does one go about getting ‘beatified’ by the Episcopal Organization?”  An excellent question.

There are a number of possible approaches you can take.  You can, for example, lead an exemplary and influential Christian life, whether or not you had ever seen the inside of an Episcopal or Anglican church or whether or not you had gone home to the Lord well before the invention of the Anglican tradition.

If you’ve led what most people consider to be a good life, you don’t even have to be a Christian; Episcopalians aren’t dogmatic about these matters.  But if none of that works, you can always try regularly jamming something into the skulls of infants, sucking out their brains, hacking them to pieces and causing them to die the most painful and hideous deaths imaginable:

Liberal religious groups joined secular pro-choice organizations Monday to mourn as a martyr one of the country’s most famous providers of late-term abortions.

St. Paul’s Episcopal Cathedral in Boston held an evening memorial service where the Very Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, president of Episcopal Divinity School in nearby Cambridge, was one of several scheduled speakers.

“This is about the loss of a man who was a saint and a martyr,” she said in an interview before the service. “He was a prayerful man who put his life at risk to protect others and died for it. People are in shock, outrage and mourning. They need a place to go.”

Ms. Ragsdale said she once visited Dr. Tiller’s clinic in Wichita to defend it from anti-abortion protests. She has been excoriated on conservative Web sites for a July 21, 2007, speech in Birmingham, Ala., where she called abortion “a blessing.”

A group called Faith Aloud – formerly the Missouri Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice – expected to draw at least 100 people to an interfaith memorial service at St. John’s Episcopal Church in St. Louis, organized by the Rev. Rebecca Turner, a Disciples of Christ minister and executive director of Faith Aloud.

“He was a hero to many abortion clinic workers, who were aware of his incredible courage and bravery,” Ms. Turner said. “I knew him personally, so this will be a service of mourning for his wonderful life. He is the first abortion provider to put a chapel inside his clinic, and he had a chaplain on duty to work with all of his patients.”

Your call.

UPDATE: Mrs. Schori weighs in.

I am horrified to learn of the murder of Dr. Tiller, made even more painful for occurring in a place of worship and sanctuary.  I pray for him and for his family, that all may know they are held in the palm of God’s hand.  I also pray for those who believe that violence is ever the answer to disputes or differences, that they, too, may be healed.

UPDATE: Tiller’s Episcopal sainthood may just have legs if Katie Rags has anything to say about it.

A vigil held June 1 at Boston’s St. Paul’s Cathedral in memory of slain abortion doctor George Tiller was not only an opportunity to grieve his death and celebrate his life; it was also a huge evangelism opportunity, according to the Rev. Katherine Ragsdale, president and dean-elect of Episcopal Divinity School.

In remarks during the vigil at the cathedral, Dean Ragsdale called Dr. Tiller “a saint” whose work was consistent with the teachings of The Episcopal Church.

UPDATE: The Tiller Episco-beatification picks up speed as the Episcopal Women’s Caucus issues this repulsive statement.

The Episcopal Women’s Caucus joins people of faith everywhere in our shock and deep sadness at the violent murder of Dr. George Tiller, who was gunned down Sunday morning, the Day of Pentecost, at The Reformation Lutheran Church, where he was a long time member.

Dr. Tiller was an internationally known champion of the reproductive rights of women. His senseless, untimely death is a cruel loss to his immediate family, his church family and religious people everywhere who understand that freedom of choice is a cultural and political reflection of the spiritual gift of free will which God bestows upon each and every one of us.
 
The comfort of the Christian faith is that we are assured of Dr. Tiller’s place in the eternal and loving embrace of Jesus. Our prayers are with Dr. Tiller’s family, who grieve his loss as well as with his church family, who are also deeply affected and traumatized by his murder in their sanctuary.
 
We pray also for his murder[er], that healing and reconciliation may begin.
 
We deplore the ‘hate speech’ and inflammatory rhetoric which ultimately leads to these violent acts.  We pray that we might find a way past our passionately held beliefs, on either side of the great divide of this issue, and into a path of mercy, justice and peace – a peace which passes all human understanding.
 
Further, we pray that ‘respect for life’ includes respect for the life of every woman as well as all those whose lives are dedicated to the respectful and valiant cause of securing freedom of choice for all women.

53 Comments to HOW TO BECOME AN EPISCOPAL SAINT

Ed the Roman
June 2, 2009

He had a chaplain for a bit fewer than half his patients.

Dr. Mabuse
June 2, 2009

They should assign “Fr.” Cutie to preach a homily at one of these Tiller vigils. He’s being fast-tracked into the Episcopal Church, so he would appreciate a crash course in trampling ALL the benighted Roman superstitions he’s been enslaved by hitherto – this time, it’s the love of babies. This is YOUR CHURCH now, “Father” – make the most of it.

Daniel Muller
June 2, 2009

Not one reporter stayed for even part of any of these “services?” So actual attendance was just above zero? [Snide remark about ASA deleted.]

1RLI
June 2, 2009

“He was a prayerful man who put his life at risk to protect others and died for it.”
I certainly hope the good Ms. Ragsdale will plan similar memorial services and conduct comparable interviews for the next police officer who is killed anywhere in the United States in the line of duty, or the next U.S. Service member who dies in a combat zone. After all, many of these are also prayerful men (and women) who put their lives at risk to protect others, and who die for it.

Zach Frey
June 2, 2009

Molech must be pleased.

God have mercy.

Fuinseoig
June 2, 2009

Oh, good God above!

Well, at least Katherine Ragsdale is consistent in her views, give her that.

Since for us Papists, June is the month dedicated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, something from the Pope’s Sunday Angelus address:

“”The Heart of Christ”, the pontiff explained, “expresses in a simple and authentic way the ‘good news’ of love, summarising in itself the mystery of the Incarnation and of the Redemption . . . From the infinite horizon of his love, in fact, God wished to enter within the limits of history and the human condition, he took on a body and a heart, so that we can contemplate and encounter the infinite in the finite, the invisible and ineffable Mystery in the human Heart of Jesus, the Nazarene”.”

Sacred Heart of Jesus, I place all my trust in Thee!

Christopher Hathaway
June 2, 2009

Just another day in Bizarro world, or, as it used to be called, Hell.

FenelonSpoke
June 2, 2009

I said it on Kendall Harmon’s site. I think that Ragdsdale is deeply misogynistic and possibly racist and classist as well since she celebrates abortion, and as we know that great “Saint” Margaret Sanger endorsed abortion so that undesirable people of color and of poverty could be eradicated from the gene pool. Even people I know who might support abortion under certain circumstances wouldn’t call it a blessing nor Tiller a Saint. That is just deranged and an insult to the great Saints in the faith like Teresa of Avila, or the Little Flower or people who might be uncanonized Saints but devoted followers of Jesus like William Wilberforce or John Wesley or Julian or Norwich.

Whitestone
June 2, 2009

Less than half of Catholic bishops have bothered their cushioned insulated selves to protest Obama’s honors at Notre Dame, the other abortion-supporters honors at Xavier and the other schools…the homosex activities during Holy Week at Notre Dame. In other words, they are, as Chris often says, ‘down with’ with Tiller, Obama, Sebelius, whoever is appointed by Obama to the Supreme Court, and all the abortuariums in the US and over the globe cranking out millions of baby deaths per annum and homosex early deaths and diseases and the spiritual consequences of eternal destruction and separation from God.

Good job, ‘church’ you’ve become certified a ‘synagogue of satan’. Revelation 3:9

Ready to repent yet?

Katherine
June 2, 2009

These memorials to the “saint and martyr” Tiller will cancel out all the good press they’re getting from refusing consent to the Buddhist bishop-elect. They won’t have a Buddhist, but they adored a baby butcher.

Whitestone
June 2, 2009

Sorry, we haven’t heard a lot of defense of Life out of the ugly pusses of TEC ‘bishops’ either, nor Rick Warren who is now working side-by-side with the ‘gay’ agenda and muslims to bring world peace and end poverty in his new PEACE plan. Thing is, Warren is speaking at the ACNA constitutional meeting this month. Silence IS complicity with the culture in regard to Life. I’m leary, wary of where Warren stands on that issue since he was willing to loan his street cred to Obama at his inauguration when Billy Graham purposely resigned his unofficial role as friend and mentor to presidents when Obama was elected.

Don Janousek
June 2, 2009

“…a saint and a martyr..” Absolutely stomach-turning. It sometimes appears to me that our entire society has gone completely insane when people in it can make such statements about someone who ended the existence of some 60,000 of God’s most innocent creatures. Statements like this, and actions to honor Tiller by a so-called Christian church, are beyond caricature. It all seems like a foretaste of the lowest depths of Hell.

Kathleen Lundquist
June 2, 2009

“He is the first abortion provider to put a chapel inside his clinic, and he had a chaplain on duty to work with all of his patients.”

This combined with Rev. Ragsdale’s comments about abortion as a “blessing” lead me to think that there was a very real, actively pagan/demonic dynamic to Dr. Tiller’s practice. Zach’s mention of Moloch is spot on.

It’s likely that the mothers and families of those 60,000 dead children experienced Dr. Tiller’s office, on a soul/spiritual level, as a temple of sacrifice and the abortion as an offering, an appeasement. To what god or gods, we don’t know.

The chaplain there may well have used Christian words and concepts to attempt to counsel those who went through this, but the message seems clear: It really is OK that you killed your child. Don’t you think this is the same thing that ancient pagan husbands said to their wives when they made their firstborns “pass through the fire”? That somehow, it was the right thing to do and we’ll really be better off in the long run because of it?

Isn’t the same thing being said by Ragsdale and these others to cover up the… human sacrifice going on? I’m not trying to be incendiary here, but consciously framing one’s grief guilt feelings over the child’s death in this way is really different than the way prochoicers used to talk about this. The symmetry with ancient pagan practice seems now to be coming into focus.

Paula Loughlin
June 2, 2009

Whitstone, that is quite a leap to say since some Bishops did not send letters of protest regarding Notre Dame or other Catholic institutions honoring pro abort politicians and other public figures they are themselves pro abortion. Maybe this statement by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops would clear that misconception up for you .

http://www.usccb.org/postcard/

Information on the Bishop’s activities and statements on abortion can be found at

http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/index.shtml

But you are probably right, they don’t really mean all that and are cheering on Moloch as we speak.

Denise
June 2, 2009

The appropriate Christian response to this is prayer and fasting in atonement for both the sin of abortion and the sin of
Tiller’s murder.
With regards to Episcopal saints, I think this gets voted on at the General Convention. If you are endorsed at two meetings of the General Convention you get sainthood. Isn’t Thurgood Marshall up for a second vote at the upcoming GC?

LaVallette
June 2, 2009

When society loses its moral dimension; cf some “You Tube” film extracts and read the speeches made at Heydrich’s funeral after his assassination during WWII. And by the way don’t come up with the “if you raise the Nazi issue, you have lost the debate”. The comparisons between the two cases are spot on and very apt.

Truth Unites... and Divides
June 2, 2009

HOW TO BECOME AN EPISCOPAL SAINT

Maybe Fr. Jenkins, President of Notre Dame University, will also become an Episcopal “saint”.

Not only did he bask in the accolades for having honored radical pro-abortionist President Barack Obama with an honorary doctorate, but he also sits in a leadership position on the board of an organization that distributes contraception and promotes abortion whereever it’s legal.

Read it here.

Ed the Roman
June 2, 2009

Whitestone, if you’re an Anglican, your Church doesn’t have any formal condemnation of abortion to cite in the first place.

If you’re some other denomination, when did they get with the program on the unborn? Because most Protestant churches thought Roe was just fine for quite a few years.

Whitestone
June 2, 2009

Paula, I know what the Bishop’s statement said and yet, how many spoke out – 80 out of hundreds.

The Catholics aren’t alone…the majority of Protestant and Anglican pastors won’t confront the issue of abortion either. I haven’t heard much from the Orthodox either.

As Kathleen Lundquist pointed out, the spiritual warfare is so strong and the culture is so pro-homosex and baby-killing. The spirits of Molech (spirit of death), Ahab (weak emasculated males abandoning families and leadership roles) and Jezebel (angry dominant rebellious man-hating females) are dominating many minds and hearts.

Silence IS consent and complicity.

Silent shepherds do not guide their flocks…if the bishops are silent, the flock thinks it’s ok to decide for themselves. The sheep need the voice of sheperds, earthly shepherds need to speak with the Voice of The Heavenly Shepherd.

Whitestone
June 2, 2009

Thanks for the reminder, Ed the Roman…I had already started acknowledging that while you were posting. I appreciate both your and Paula’s comments.

The Little Myrmidon
June 2, 2009

“a… man who put his life at risk to protect others

I’m sorry, but that was HOW EXACTLY?

muerknz
June 2, 2009

Here in New Zealand it is June the third and the memoria of actual Christian martyrs, St Charles Lwanga and companions. In 1886 on this day he and his companions were burned to death on a slow fire because they would not give up being Christians. The youngest of them was only 14.

The King who ordered this, King Mwanga, also martyred Anglicans for the same reason.

These people are saints and martyrs.

http://www.ugandamartyrsshrine.org.ug/index.php?ID=6

Ed the Roman
June 2, 2009

To be precise, because they refused the King’s sexual advances.

Tom (St. Louis)
June 2, 2009

This is just plain SICK!

Tom (St. Louis)
June 2, 2009

I wonder if Mrs. Schori is more horrified by this or the murder of 60,000 innocent children?

The Little Myrmidon
June 2, 2009

How long before he is listed in Holy women, Holy Men?

The young fogey
June 2, 2009

That it took place at their cathedral means they can’t dismiss her remarks as a one-off.

Not a word about the babies he killed, no not one.

Christopher Johnson
June 2, 2009

That’s actually pretty tame stuff for Ragsdale, Foags. She’s okay with abortion for just about any reason you can come up with:

http://themcj.com/?p=3640

Paula Loughlin
June 2, 2009

Tell me again why people think staying in TEO is an option for faithful, life affirming Christians.

anonagain
June 3, 2009

agree — In remarks during the vigil at the cathedral, Dean Ragsdale called Dr. Tiller “a saint” whose work was consistent with the teachings of The Episcopal Church

Don Janousek
June 3, 2009

Reading these updated statements by Ragsdale and this group called the Episcopal Women’s Caucus is very much like reading statements written by inmates of a high-security institution for the criminally insane. Their ability to turn the world upside-down and equate evil with the teachings of Christ is breath-taking! A “saint” whose sainthood rests upon the murder of 60,000 children? A descendant of the worshippers of Moloch, practitioners of infant sacrifice, is being embraced by Christ? Demon possession is one probable cause, insantiy another. Take your pick.

Truth Unites... and Divides
June 3, 2009

Paula: “Tell me again why people think staying in TEO is an option for faithful, life affirming Christians.”

Answer: Because where else can you be an Institutionalist-Enabler for soul-destroying heresy and apostasy and yet still be able to rationalize to yourself that you’re being a faithful witness.

“The Rev. Philip Wainwright, parish priest in the Diocese of Pittsburgh who has chosen to stay in TEC, said there is no Plan B. “Many have thought they were the only ones left. It is true we are a floundering church, a church struggling over decisive issues. I was called to remain faithful. It seems clear to me that leaving exacerbates and waters down the voice of orthodoxy.”

Wainwright said he spoke against the Diocese of Pittsburgh leaving The Episcopal Church. Evangelicals need to stay and need to make themselves known to each other, he said.

“We do not have the ability to discipline the unorthodox. Bishops can only be disciplined by a majority of other bishops, and orthodox bishops are in the minority. Clergy can only be disciplined by the bishops, and most unorthodox clergy have an unorthodox bishop. Lay persons can only be disciplined by their parish clergy, most of whom are unorthodox. As long as we are in the minority, we have no power to do whatever scripture says should be done in this situation. The question for us is not how leaders should deal with the unorthodox, but how we orthodox should respond to unorthodox leaders.”

The theologian priest cited numerous passages of Scripture to support staying in TEC.”

Read the rest here.

Don Janousek
June 3, 2009

TU..AD: While this priest is lining up passages from Scripture to justify remaining in a organization where the Dean of a seminary proclaims the murder of unborn children to be a “blessing,” perhaps he should take time to see what St. Paul said about all of this in 2nd Corinthians:
“Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God saith: I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore, Go out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord”

LaVallette
June 3, 2009

And behold Christ said “let all the little children come unto me”. But in the light of modern TEO discernment and exegesis what he meant is “send them to me as quickly as possible after their conception for the sake of the higher aspiration of freedom of choice which is a cultural and political reflection of the spiritual gift of free will which God bestows upon each and every one of us. And to those who kill the children, particularly those who choose the most extreme and barabaric methods for this purpose up to the moment of their birth, can be assured of the comfort of the Christian faith that their reward in heaven will be in My eternal and loving embrace”.

Surely the TEO is “1984″

Allen Lewis
June 3, 2009

Further, we pray that ‘respect for life’ includes respect for the life of every woman as well as all those whose lives are dedicated to the respectful and valiant cause of securing freedom of choice for all women.

Obviously, none of these people give a tinker’s damn about respecting the life of the baby inside the mother’s womb. But I forget, this is TEC we are taliking about and radical feminists. Can’t let anything interfere with your sex life, now can we? That would be un-American and un-Christian, according to TEC.

muerknz
June 3, 2009

There isn’t true justice in this world, but there is in the next. If Tiller hadn’t repented (and I pray that he did) then he will reap what he sowed. The same goes for Ragsdale.

I’m very grateful for God’s perfect justice, whatever it may be for these individuals, it’s means I can be more… calm… about such actions.

Denise
June 3, 2009

Please note that while the liberals are spilling all kinds of ink condemning the murder of the “saintly” George Tiller and painting all pro-lifers as dangerous terrorists, they have uttered not a word of outrage over the murder of an Army recruiter at the hands of a Muslim convert.

Paula Loughlin
June 3, 2009

How the hell is it heroic to stick a vacuum into a woman and suck out a defenseless life? How is it valiant to take surgical instruments and butcher a preborn baby and scrape it into a biohazard bag?

I mean don’t most valiant heroes fight against an enemy that can shoot back or at least raise a hand in self defense? Isn’t there some kind of risk involved that the enemy might get in a few licks of his own, hell even kill you? Did the knights of old ride out to slay dragons or to plow down baby chicks?

I guess next thing you know they’ll be promoting Tiller for the Congressional Medal of Honor for dying so bravely in the abortion battle.

There is not enough vomit in the world to cover them.

Sasha
June 3, 2009

Well said, Denise!!!

It shows you how the intellectual “élite” hate God and His Son Jesus Christ, and how they want the destruction of Western Christian civilisation. Their heroes are Marx, Engels and Ljéñin (as well as Stáljin, Mao, Pol Pot and many others) on the one hand, and they’re just as happy to use Muhammad (and even Buddhism and Hinduism – anything that’s anti-Christian!) as part of that goal!!

In actual fact, they hate LIFE, period (other than their own selves). Many of them use pagan and demonic philosophy derived from Ancient Greece and Rome, frequently including abnormal sexualities, as part of their deluding themselves and their own into thinking that there’s positively no God!! If they had/have their way, the overwhelming bulk of us would – and will! – be exterminated!

[Such hypocrites and "enlightened" Devil's spawn like Soros, Gates et al - caring only about themselves while happy to go the same way as Ljéñin + Bakúñin and Ñechájev did!!]

As to the Roman bishops, I likewise can’t but fault people like Niederauer, Mahony and O’Malley (who seems happy to have Boston Catholic hospitals refer people for abortions or even perform them) on one side, Turcotte and several others on the other who are pro-abortion in their hearts! Even Wuerl is just a milquetoast hypocrite who’s only too happy to give Communion to Biden, Pelosi, Reid and others who instead ought to be publicly anathematised!!

Sasha
June 3, 2009

Beautifully said, Paula, for your latest entry!!!

Truly, people like Mr. Tiller are NO SAINTS WHATSOEVER!! Much as we have to – as pro-lifers! – deplore his murder, one understands the idea of preventing the likes of him murdering and butchering defenseless infants!! Truly, I find it hard not to look upon him and his ilk as psychopaths…

[Again, that ties in to ancient paganism, where (in Greece, remember the tale of Œdipus the King!! - same with Rome and other places including pre-Christian Norway!) it was amply acceptable to expose unwanted babies to die of cold, hunger and at the mouths & claws of the wild beasts!!]

Daniel Muller
June 3, 2009

Some interesting comments on proposals for Episcopal canonizations here.

I wonder how St. Elizabeth Ann Seton feels about being snatched back into a respectable church. She is probably enjoying a chuckle with St. Peter.

And congratulations on your bud Soren making the cut. Nice guy.

c matt
June 3, 2009

The question for us is not how leaders should deal with the unorthodox, but how we orthodox should respond to unorthodox leaders.”

Scripture also gives one option of shaking the dust from your sandals.

Phil
June 3, 2009

I can find common ground with Ragsdale on this: Tiller’s work was definitely consistent with the teachings of The Episcopal Church.

WannabeAnglican
June 3, 2009

As I’ve said on my blog, those who defend (or even celebrate) elective late term abortions have less moral judgement than a dog.

Hence this absurd barking from The Church of Molech.

McGreggor
June 3, 2009

He lived so that others may die.

Michael D
June 4, 2009

Congatulations, Chris, on making the front cover of the Boston Phoenix http://thephoenix.com/Boston/News/84424-blessing-of-abortion/?page=1#TOPCONTENT. You work hard, you deserve the glory. Even if it occurs in such a murderous context.

Michael D
June 4, 2009

Thanks for the link to Dan Martin, Dan Muller. An excellent and useful article. Note his sum-up at the end:
“But I’ve saved the worst for last. Aside from the obvious deficiencies in the proposed revision to our calendar, there is a Trojan Horse in the mix. Holy Women, Holy Men is being used as a vehicle to promote elements of a radical liturgical language agenda (as has every other publication of the SCLM for most of the last three decades). From earliest times, formal Christian prayer has normatively concluded per dominum Jesum Christum—through Jesus Christ our Lord. Not exclusively, but normatively. More recently, however, the use of the word “Lord” has been deemed suspect because of percieved patriarchal connotations, and there has been a steady pressure to subvert the long-standing norm. Indeed, this is one of the motivating concerns that underlies the entire project known as Enriching Our Worship.

Since there are 112 new observance proposed for the calendar, this means that there are 112 new collects that have been written. Of this number, how many include the formua “through Jesus Christ our Lord”?

Exactly two.

The rest either substitute something like Savior (the most common by far), or Redeemer, or Good Shepherd, or simply nothing (as in “through Jesus Christ; who lives and reigns…).

This is infinitely more important than any concern about who made the list or who got left off. The fundamental (and earliest) Christian creed consists simply of two Greek words which take three English words to translate: Jesus is Lord. It’s not an option, one alternative among many. It’s not a metaphor, one image among many. It is a basic Christian confession. If you can’t make that confession, full-throatedly and with uncrossed fingers, you can’t be a Christian. So there’s nothing particularly wrong on this account with any single given collect of the 112 proposed additional observances. It’s the trend that is cause for alarm. It bespeaks a church that talks a good talk about its theological moorings in Catholic Christianity, but is in the process of weighing anchor, throwing the rope back on the dock, and drifting out on the tide of distorted perceptions of oppressive language.

Christopher Johnson
June 4, 2009

Michael D.

Thanks. I knew that was coming. The writer e-mailed me about a week and a half ago to let me know he was going to use my stuff.

FW Ken
June 4, 2009

RE: Catholic bishops: 80 out of hundreds.

Wiki says there are 195 Catholic dioceses in the U.S., 17 of which are Eastern Rite, the rest Latin Rite. I know at least one assistant bishop (from Chicago) issued a statement, so who knows how many of the Ordinaries said something.

AFAIK, my own bishop didn’t issue a public statement, but I also know him to be profoundly pro-life, not only by his leadership and participation in local activities, but also because before he came here, he expressed willingness to restrict a pro-life politician from Communion (that’s not much of an issue in Texas). That, to me, is more significant than the Kodak moment of a protest against something you can’t actually control. A statement by someone like Abp. Weurl doesn’t impress me at all.

Anyway, the tale isn’t told. Let’s see what the next bishops meeting produces. If they don’t issue any formal statement, then I will be disappointed. But then, I’ve been known to declare them apostate in the past. :-)

FW Ken
June 4, 2009

I omitted the actual count of bishop, which I couldn’t dig out, but have always heard to be in the vacinity of 300. That means we have about 200 ordinaries and 100 assistants.

Al Covell
June 6, 2009

How many late term abortions are done each year? Let us assume 1,000 are done each year, that means someone started counting in 1949 to get to the current figure tossed out here of 60,000. If the number is 500 each year then someone started counting in 1889 to get to the current claimed 60,000.

On another note why do some people get so bent out of shape merely because someone called someone a saint or martyr? That’s just a personal opinion, not the official act of this or that church.

And last, an opinion of a different bent from the Sarasota (FLA) Herald Tribune.

America’s rift over abortion cannot be healed by violence. The murders and assaults* must be seen for what they are: a thuggish afront to the rule of law.

*We’re talking about the adults here, not fetuses.

diane with a small d
June 6, 2009

FenelonSpoke wrote: “I think that Ragdsdale is deeply misogynistic and possibly racist and classist as well since she celebrates abortion, and as we know that great “Saint” Margaret Sanger endorsed abortion so that undesirable people of color and of poverty could be eradicated from the gene pool.”

I had exactly the same reaction! In the post above this one (the DIGGING THE HOLE post), Ragsdale is quoted as saying that, for a woman without a “sustainable job” (whatever that is), abortion is “a blessing.” Could Sanger have said it better? Ragsdale piously mealy-mouths stuff about how the real tragedy is the lack of social supports for the poor. But her statement’s dirty little sub-text is the Sangerian mantra: “Fewer children from the unfit!” How dare those poor women have babies?? Don’t they realize that, for them. abortion is “a blessing”? This is so close to Sanger’s rhetoric. Her published writings are replete with this stuff. She’s a bit blunter than Ragsdsale in her sneering contempt for poor pregnant women — but not much.

Arrrggghhhhh.

Diane

FW Ken
June 6, 2009

not the official act of this or that church.

Well, yes it is.

America’s rift over abortion cannot be healed by violence.

Precisely what was said on the other thread about Dr. Tiller’s murder.

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