SALVO

Friday, December 20th, 2013 | Uncategorized

Back when I had cable, A&E was one of my few regular stops.  Its history coverage was excellent, its documentaries were first-rate and it was one of the channels I would have picked if I’d been able to choose the channels that I watched more than once a week.

But all that’s over since A&E has apparently decided that it hates me:

Irrefutable history documents that the Bible and its teachings were the biggest influence on those that founded the freest and most prosperous nation in human history. Yet nowadays if you believe that same Bible is true you will either silence your beliefs, or you will be silenced. Just ask Phil Robertson, one of the stars of Duck Dynasty, among the most successful shows on TV.

In an interview with GQ, Robertson plainly repeated simple truths that are fundamental to western civilization — the Bible calls all sexual activity outside of holy matrimony sin and immoral, and it’s natural for a man to be attracted to a woman. You know, the birds and the bees.

For that, the tolerance mob demanded his head on a platter, and the wannabe King Herods that work at A&E, the network that made untold millions off of Robertson’s enormous popularity, gladly obliged. When we have now come to the point that pop culture would rather bow at the altar of rabid political correctness than make a profit, then we have reached a point of no return as a people.

Andrew Sullivan had a reaction to all this that actually started out sensibly.

I have to say I’m befuddled by the firing of Phil Robertson, he of the amazing paterfamilias beard on Duck Dynasty (which I mainly see via The Soup). A&E has a reality show that depends on the hoariest stereotypes – and yet features hilariously captivating human beings – located in the deep South. It’s a show riddled with humor and charm and redneck silliness. The point of it, so far as I can tell, is a kind of celebration of a culture where duck hunting is the primary religion, but where fundamentalist Christianity is also completely pervasive. (Too pervasive for the producers, apparently, because they edited out the saying of grace to make it non-denominational and actually edited in fake beeps to make it seem like the bearded clan swore a lot, even though they don’t.)

Now I seriously don’t know what A&E were expecting when the patriarch Phil Robertson was interviewed by GQ. But surely the same set of expectations that one might have of an ostensibly liberal host of a political show would not be extended to someone whose political incorrectness was the whole point of his stardom. He’s a reality show character, for Pete’s sake. Not an A&E spokesman.

Sully being Sully, Andy had get in his obligatory wild-eyed hysteria about and total misunderstanding of the Christian religion in general and fundamentalist Protestantism in particular before getting more-or-less sensible once again at the end.

Greg Griffith beautifully sums it all up.

All I want is for people to understand that this isn’t unprecedented, and it won’t be the last time it happens. Let it be a small reminder of how hostile the world is to the Gospel, and a small reminder of what you’ve signed up for when you agreed to take up your cross. The world – in this case represented by gay activists and the media who kowtow to them – hates you. They hate your family, they hate your values, and they especially hate this Jesus.

I’ve never seen this show and probably never will.  Even if I had the desire and the wherewithal to get cable or satellite, the presence of A&E in the package would a deal-breaker unless they walk this back.  Greg’s right, the Lord told us there’d be days like this.  But I don’t have to participate in them and I certainly don’t have to take my business where it is clearly not wanted.

48 Comments to SALVO

Bill (not IB)
December 20, 2013

The proper response to this is for viewers to inform A&E that they (viewers) will be boycotting the advertisers on ALL shows on A&E. I’m not about to say that A&E doesn’t have a right to make decisions on its programming; I’m sure that they would agree I also have the right to make my opinion as a viewer known to the folks who pay their bills.

If you read through the actual GQ interview, you’ll find it clear that there was no animosity directed specifically at the LGBT contingent. ALL sinners, heterosexual and homosexual, were addressed. The problem is that only the LGBT has an organization committed specifically to stamping out anything they deem offensive. Reference was also made to adulterers as being sinners; why does GLAAD think they are a priviledged, persecuted minority?

You can contact A&E at: aefeedback@aenetworks.com

Allen Lewis
December 20, 2013

I understand he had something to say about alcoholics. Why isn’t AA up om arms.

It is past time for the All Gay, All Day Lobby to shut up and sit down.

Elaine S.
December 20, 2013

Not to minimize the implications of what A&E did, but apparently Phil Robertson had recently made some statements about wanting to leave the show due to “creative differences” with A&E. Some people over on another blog (Mark Shea) have speculated that perhaps Phil let loose with these remarks so that A&E would have an excuse to fire him — and thereby generate additional publicity for the show.

midwestnorwegian
December 20, 2013

I cut the cable 4 years ago and have never looked back. Highly recommended.

Whitestone
December 20, 2013

Duck Dynasty’s sponsors have come out in support of Phil.

It’s way past time to stand up to the PC (Punitive Conformity) bullies.

Gay life isn’t really ‘gay’ or good. Their rate of STDs is the highest – even above that of promiscuous heterose xuals. The highest rate of HIV diagnoses are among Obama’s sons, the ‘down-low’ (bisexual) and MSM young blacks.

The increase of STDs among the homo and bise xual population has gone beyond epidemic – it’s now SYNDEMIC - a condition in which symptoms of several STDs interact to compound and complicate treatment.

Same-s ex attraction and identity disorientation are symptoms and acting on these urges is dangerous and downright deadly. Besides the diseases, the incidence of violence among this population is also very high.

Gregg the Obscure
December 20, 2013

Advertiser boycotts will accomplish very little against a cable channel as they also receive fees from the local cable systems. The proposed legislation to allow unbundling – where the customer decides which channels he or she wants to support – would provide some accountability and hit intolerant extremists like A&E much harder. Those of you who are fortunate enough to have congressional representatives that aren’t completely hostile to humanity would do well to contact them.

Creedal Epicopalian
December 20, 2013

Who needs legislation? Hulu and netflix are rapidly unbundling the cable and satellite TV industry all by themselves. same shows for 10$ /month, and no alJazeera.

Marie Blocher
December 20, 2013

Phil Robertson does not need A&E as much as A&E needs the Robertson Clan. He has already made a fortune off of his duck caller enterprise.
So:
Either
A&E eats crow,
or
the Robertson clan move to another network,
or
they stay home and tend to business there.

2 out of 3 of those choices are bad for A&E.

I look for someone at A&E to make a retraction soon.
But like the recent TWC vs CBS confrontation, a lot of viewers will be mad enough to walk anyway.

Allen Lewis
December 20, 2013

Gee! Was there something I missed between TWC and CBS???

See how much I don’t care about any of this?

Katherine
December 20, 2013

Elaine S., so Phil is crazy like a fox. He makes blunt but true-to-the-faith comments to a magazine, gets suspended, and he and his family can walk to a network that won’t censor their religion while A&E takes a lot of negative publicity and loss of income. Sweet.

I have read what Phil said in GQ. Blunt, but no more offensive than a lot of sex-drenched talk and imagery in the media everywhere. As Gov. Jindal says, when Miley Cyrus gets a pass and Phil Robertson is suspended, something is wrong.

Dale Matson
December 20, 2013

“The sad truth is most American Christians would prefer to leave people in their sin provided Christians are left alone in turn.” The days of being a ‘fellow traveler’ Christian are over.

Ed the Roman
December 20, 2013

AS I mentioned elsewhere, he what the Pope and the Dalai Lama would both say, althought the Dalai Lama would say it more like Phil than the Pope would.

harry in St Charles
December 20, 2013

Chris

My wife and I watched DD and enjoy the redneck humor.We have the Christmas show on dvr.It is blowing stuff up and shooting.I love it.If ae network cancels the
show I will boycott the network as i boycott channel 4.
You have a Merry Christmas and
happy new year.We hope you get a
job soon.

Harry in St Charles

Daniel Muller
December 20, 2013

I suspect that this entire episode is what the kiddies call an “epic troll” by A&E (or, maybe, the Robertsons). I mean: a “Duck Dynasty” interview in GQ? How did anyone think that that would play out? As the Scripture says (and no, I am not equating anyone with the divinity of Our Lord):
_____________________________________

[ GQ ] was very glad to see [ the Duck Dynasty star ]; he had been wanting to see him for a long time, for he had heard about him and had been hoping to see him perform some sign. He questioned him at length, … The [ glitterati ], meanwhile, stood by accusing him harshly. (Even) [ GQ ] and his [ subscribers ] treated him contemptuously and mocked him, and after [ cutting ] him [ a ] resplendent [ check ], he sent him back to [ A&E ].

[ GQ ] and [ A&E ] became friends that very day, even though they had been [fr]enemies formerly.

[ A&E ] then summoned the chief [ journalists ], the [ bloggers ], and the people and said to them, You brought this man to me and accused him of inciting the people to revolt. I have conducted my investigation in your presence and have not found this man guilty of the charges you have brought against him, nor did [ GQ ], for he sent him back to us. So no capital crime has been committed by him. Therefore I shall have him flogged and then release him.
_____________________________________

I even suspect that A&E may have planned this before they shot the first episode.

Daniel Muller
December 20, 2013

Now the metanarrative that makes such trolling possible is another and more serious question.

Katherine
December 20, 2013

Daniel Muller, since the negative publicity is mostly aimed at A&E, if they planned it, they’re as dumb as rocks.

Michal
December 20, 2013

“As Gov. Jindal says, when Miley Cyrus gets a pass and Phil Robertson is suspended, something is wrong.”

Agreed, but the age of martyrs isn’t over.

Katherine
December 20, 2013

Agreed, Michal. In fact, the age of martyrs is now, much more so than in the early centuries. The Anglican Diocese of Egypt, in which I have friends, covers all of north Africa and the Horn of Africa. I pray daily for their safety. So far, Phil Robertson has only been suspended from a TV show and may end up better off in the long run, plus having preached the Gospel to a larger audience than even the TV show. He’s not a martyr in the sense of being hurt or killed, yet. He’s a martyr in the sense of the word which meant “witness.”

Whitestone
December 20, 2013

The homo/bi crowd are martyrs in a way to their own actions/compulsions, like smokers and alcoholics are to their cigarettes and alcohol and meth/coke/heroin addicts to their substances of choice.

They are in denial and refuse to face the fact that their behaviors are dangerous/deadly.

Then they blame and bully conservatives Christians for telling the truth.

George CS
December 20, 2013
Whitestone
December 20, 2013

Homo-bisexuals have a 40-80 time greater incidence of STDs than any other population group. The 4H STDs (HIV, HPV, Hepatitis and Herpes) are incurable, only manageable. These diseases are ever morphing into more and more dangerous forms that are increasingly difficult to treat…such as the new ‘super-gonorrhea’.

Both male and female homosexuals have a greater incidence of violence and addiction than heterosexuals do.

As they say, Father Knows Best – our Heavenly Father, that is.

Whitestone
December 20, 2013

The 40-80 spread is not vaguery, but covers the different diseases…some have more, some less percentage of incidence, but all ST diseases occur with much greater incidence in the homo/bi population than any other demographic group.

FW Ken
December 20, 2013

Paula Dean
Martin Bashir
Alec Baldwin
Phil Robertson

Which of these is not like the other. Hint: one resigned.

Milton Finch
December 20, 2013

I want a ham sammitch.

gone Papist
December 20, 2013

My former pastor summed it up in an essay he wrote ten years back about TEO: “The Illusion of Inclusion”. The Left is intolerant by nature and ever “advance” the make just ratchets up is deemed acceptable. I moved from being a moderate pastoral kind of guy to being unacceptably conservative and unemployable in my diocese by standing in the same place. I see the same pattern in every institution I’ve been a part of and that I keep up with from the military to higher education to public schools and nonprofits. There is a high price to be paid for opting out of groupthink, which I am sure our editor will realize as he searches for work in his field. (I’m sure that is no news to you.)

Creedal Episcopalian
December 20, 2013

One thing I have not seen mentioned anywhere:

A&E is Half owned by… wait for it, Disney ABC. The other half by Hearst.

So, why is anyone surprised?

gone Papist
December 20, 2013

I could use an editor myself: “every advance they make just ratchets up way is considered acceptable.” There.

gppp
December 20, 2013

According to A&E CEO, Phil Robertson was fired because his comment comparing homosexuality with bestiality just went too far for her sensitivities.

To which I say: I was raised and have spent most of my adult life in music in the Episcopal Church (may she RIP), and also have had pets — dogs, cats, and now a rabbit — virtually all my life. I can say without hesitation that I have never been molested by an animal (or them by me, either), and I’ve never been molested by a homosexual. But there were a number of homosexual Episcopal Church musicians over the years — all of them much older men — who tried their best to molest me.

So if you have to ask me which of the two is worse I don’t think I could answer. Just do what it takes to keep them away from children.

What say you, RSCM America?

Marie Blocher
December 20, 2013

Allen Lewis
TWC held out for more money from CBS than other cable cos did when contract renewal time came around. We were without CBS station for a couple of weeks before the two came to terms. CBS is home of one of the most watched TV shoes, NCIS and if viewers had missed even one of the series, there would have been pickets at the local TWC stores. Fortunately for TWC NCIS was on hiatus duirg the dispute. But a lot of customers were so put out by TWC’s actions, that when my daughter went to return her TWC equipment, the returns line was all the way out the door. TWC won the battle, but lost the war.

Gregg the Obscure
December 20, 2013

Marie, to those of us that aren’t in areas where Time Warner Cable has the local monopoly, TWC usually would be The Weather Channel – an NBC subsidiary. Hence the confusion.

CarolynP
December 20, 2013

He didn’t compare homosexuality to bestiality. He simply listed examples of immorality, along with sins like “sleeping around”. The fascists are trying to twist it to seem like he compared the two to stoke their righteous outrage. As always, appealing to the LIV’s.

(And yes, Gregg, I was puzzling over the big battle between The Weather Channel and CBS myself).

Daniel Muller
December 20, 2013

What say you, RSCM America?

What about the AGO, never failing to live down to its pejorative? I suppose that it has the defense that it is not a Christian organization, but one would think that an association of organists would not take positions antagonistic to Christianity.

I used to be interested in trying to get an AGO certificate. Not any more.

Katherine
December 20, 2013

The AGO, Daniel? What’s that about?

FW Ken
December 20, 2013

The American Guild of Organists.

Daniel, most of the AGO people I’ve ever known were flamers deluxe. Some were also fine musicians. A prominent organist at a Catholic parish in Dallas died of AIDS and I learned later that he was a “leather queen”. I got this info from a gay man who ran in those circles.

All of which is to say that nothing surprises me with those folks.

Lina
December 20, 2013

the last time I checked there was a deep silence over at she-who-usually-castigates-anyone-who-says-anything-negative-about-her-agenda blog. One whose initials are SR

Bill (not IB)
December 20, 2013

One of the most laughable, ludicrous things I’ve ever heard appeared in one of the news items about the A&E / Duck Dynasty fiasco. (I wish I could find the source of the citation, but I’ve read so many I’ve lost track. Trust me, it’s real.) When asked if it would be appropriate for A&E to change their mind and reinstate Phil, it was said that “in that case, A&E would be caving in to pressure.”

Well, what in the *bleep* do they think suspending Phil was all about? A&E caved to pressure from GLAAD.

And I wish it were possible for Phil to take legal action against all those who are accusing him of hatred. Nothing in the GQ interview can be said to be hatred, unless the Bible itself is a book of hate – basically, all Phil did was paraphrase Scripture. If folks are going to throw stones at him, they should be responsible for the windows that are broken by mistaken aim.

Allen Lewis
December 20, 2013

Thanks for the explanation of the TWC/CBS conflict. At first I thought it was The Weather Channel, then figured it must have been Time Warner Cable.

I have my internet and phone with Time Warner. We also have cable teleision, because we like the option to watch if we want to. But I sure wish I could pick and choose my channels!

Katherine
December 20, 2013

Yes, I know the AGO is the organists, but what I wanted to know was what they had done to merit the criticism. I’m not disagreeing, I just don’t know.

Marie Blocher
December 20, 2013

Sorry for the confusion. Didn’t occur to me that TWC could be The Weather Channel.

Daniel Muller
December 21, 2013

A prominent organist at a Catholic parish in Dallas died of AIDS and I learned later that he was a “leather queen”.

Err … too much information as I probably know who that was and I did not know that about him.

Yes, I know the AGO is the organists, but what I wanted to know was what they had done to merit the criticism. I’m not disagreeing, I just don’t know.

For a lot of people, the “A” and especially the “G” stand for something else. You can figure it out from what Ken in Fort Worth wrote, or by looking for the raison d’être for the policy paragraph on Supportive Working Conditions. And if you miss that, it is repeated in red a couple paragraphs down. I doubt that “marital status” refers to single versus married. And I highly doubt that a member of the AGO has ever been “discriminated against” on the basis of “veteran’s status” or “national or ethnic origin.”

Maxine
December 21, 2013

Last night, Anderson Cooper (CNN) had a defrocked Methodest minister on his show to explain that those people (Phil Robertson) just don’t know how to properly interpret the Bible!
A DEFROCKED minister ! Isn’t that an odd choice, to prove the point?
Ruth Graham said that America would soon need to apoligise to Soddom & Gammorra .

I once knew, but now can’t remember how to spell anything !

Allen Lewis
December 21, 2013

Marie -

Not a problem (the confusion, that is). I just didn’t want to miss something that might be good. TWC did the same thing with the NBC affiliates in my area at one time.

As for the Anderson Cooper thing: “once a minister, always a minister!” But it does smack of clericalism on Anderson’s part. You know, “Back away from that Bible slowly! I’m an ordained minister; I know how to handle it!”

Silly attitude, IMHO.

Katherine
December 21, 2013

Thanks, Daniel. It’s no surprise, to anyone who’s been in church choirs for years, to know that a non-trivial number of male professional musicians are gay. I’ve known a couple of them who have kept their private lives out of the music and have done tremendous jobs musically, both for community chorales and church choirs. They’re not all in your face or after the young children. You just have to be aware and watchful, and really, in today’s environment, no adult should have access to children unless accompanied by another adult.

When we needed a new church organist, the local AGO was very, very helpful, and I know some wonderful people therein.

FW Ken
December 21, 2013

Sorry, Daniel. It didn’t occur to me that someone could connect dots that old.

Daniel Muller
December 21, 2013

I’ve known a couple of them who have kept their private lives out of the music and have done tremendous jobs musically, both for community chorales and church choirs. They’re not all in your face or after the young children.

Yes, but there is a difference between ignoring, tolerating, and promoting. And, as you can see, the AGO officially shifted into third gear a few years ago.

Tregonsee
December 21, 2013

Truly I have never watched DD, and had to have someone explain it to me. Sounds fine, but I am just not into “reality” shows. When it comes to A&E’s Longmire, on the other hand, they will pry the remote out of my cold, dead fingers.

Clown Celebrant
December 21, 2013

Christian beliefs are not allowed and Robertson knows that very well. Do you think his family made their millions not understanding that? If he was looking for publicity, he should have twerked. Ratings would have soared. Miley Cyrus could have made a guest appearance on the show wearing a duck feather. And A&E would have promoted it to the hilt. No crocodile tears for this dude who knew EXACTLY what would happen when he opened his beak.

Marie Blocher
December 23, 2013

The Robertson family is giving A&E a chance to back down or ?
“We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm,” the family said in a statement. “We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of ‘Duck Dynasty.’”

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