“non-autonomous entity”

That one will come back to haunt her when she’s 80 and has had a stroke.

That just scares the crap out of me.It also makes me so ill that all I can think of is to give money.I am fundamentally depressed about this coming from a mother.I guess this is the “new frontier”.

Wow. A woman who is a mother says that her rights automatically trump her children’s rights, because she’s bigger and stronger. I’ve put my kids in time out and grounded them and, when they were very small and not amenable to reason, swatted their hands when they reached for the hot oven door, but I never once even considered killing them when they bothered me.

Why doesn’t the conversation with the Pro-”Choice” group ever involve the numerous choices that are passed by before women choose murder?

Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body she resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the autonomous entity outside of her. [After all, outside rape, that "entity" committed herself to having a daughter.]

FIFY.

” I believe that’s what a fetus is: a human life. And that doesn’t make me one iota less solidly pro-choice.”
‘And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.’ (Matthew 24:12)

“Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous inside of her. Always.

Translation: “You’re not the boss of me!”

“Yet a black person can be a human life without having the same rights as the landowner on whose land he resides. The Master’s the boss. His life and what is right for his circumstances and the economic health of his plantation should automatically trump the rights of the dependents on his land. Always.”

FIFY

“Yet a Jew can be a human life without having the same rights as the Gentiles in whose territory it resides. They’re the boss. Their culture and what is right for their circumstances and their prosperity should automatically trump the rights of the non-native residents inside of their borders. Always.”

Maybe more offensive?

Pairs nicely with the new pro-choice commercial, celebrating 40 years of evading child support.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/01/video-tribute-to-40-years-of-abortion-on-demand-watch-once-shower-twice/

And no, it’s not a parody.

I give her points for honesty.

Of course,it means I also must give her more points for sheer evil. Because she’s quite consciously embracing it.

“Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous inside of her. Always.”

So what changes after the child is born? How “autonomous” is the child outside “her borders”? What about the child inside “her borders” capable of “autonomous life outside “her borders”. Does “always” include this last category to the point of birth except for the last bit of head.?

If a woman cannot afford to have a baby for reasons of “Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health” then she does not have the right to participate in an activity where the natural outcome by biological is procreation of a human right.

This argument is not far different from the argument of those like Professor Singer (he of the “your life as a human being is not any more worthy than that of an amoeba” and “Economic and social utilitarianism trumps the right to human life itself, at any stage”) and Camille Paglia, who have come to the conclusion that in the light of biological science they can no longer dispute that from the time of conception a human life comes into being, BUT that human being, so long as it is “unwanted within the mother’s body”, occupies the same legal/moral status as that of a criminal rapist and therefore the woman has a right “to kill it in self defence”,

The argument has moved on from the “fetus is not a human being” to the “fetus being a human being but with no rights of its own whatsoever. Any rights depend exclusively on the whim of the mother to confer them.

License to kill. If I were granted a license to kill those who annoy or inconvenience me, I would not easily give it up either. Even if I have no intention of exercising the license, it’s my right, Dang it!

So, mothers who may have no desire to kill their own babies end up being abortion rights advocates.

Evil is at times like a quiet snowfall – flake by flake, until all is buried, cold, and lifeless.

Natural extension of the logic involved. What I always thought they were doing; sawing off the branch they were sitting on. Because if a human life is not a person, then personhood is not an intrinsic property of being human but a status that is allocated by the will of an outside entity, be that legal, social or personal.

And if that status can be given, it can be revoked. And not just for the “non-autonomous” (translated: needing the help of others to live, be it for reasons of extreme youth or of age, sickness, disability, etc.) but for everyone. If the State decides in the morning that, say, women who have had two children have fulfilled their function as humans in producing the next generation, and thus have no more value to give, then Ms. Williams has no argument to trump the decision that now she is mere chattel to be disposed of, even to the point of a humane euthanasia for organ harvesting.

[...] Christ Johnson links us to a another women reaching that horrid conclusion who tries to salve her conscience with smugness: Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always. [...]

Apparently, when all of us left the womb, we immediately dropped to the floor, went to the kitchen and started feeding ourselves.

In my more pessimistic and sardonic moods, I predict that in 20-30 years, ‘personhood’ will be defined as ‘capable of expressing the Will to Sexual Pleasure and pursuing it’, and anyone who cannot express it or voluntarily forgoes it will be considered a non-person.

As the ever growing power of the nanny state takes away our autonomy, even adults should be concerned that the mother state may find their lives to be non-autonomous and inconvenient.

[...] Lebensunwertes Leben – M.C.J. [...]

Does this apply to the legal concept of medical abandonment? Way back in the stone age I was an EMT for a bit and once treatment was started it had to continue until the patient unquestionably died, refused treatment, or treatment was handed off to one with equal or greater medical competence.

So a street EMT is supposed to value life, even that of a shot drug dealer, homeless schizo, an IV drug user spraying blood out, some guy who looks like he has tuberculosis, etc, even more than a mother values their own off spring? EMT abandons a patient they loose their license and face a law suit. Mommy does it, and brags about it.

Why should firemen put on a Scott pack and rush into a burning building? Why should cops rush to a home invasion? Those things can be, you know, inconvenient, even dangerous.

Agree with another post, these people are going to face mass euthenization when they are old and dependent on the state for support.

Going back to the original point:

I used to wonder how there ever could have been such a phenomenon as Hitler. Even recently there has been this Godwin’s Law thingy, as though nothing could ever legitimately compare.

Day by day I wonder less and less.

Godwin’s law is a Progressivist invention and stratagem specifically to prevent, through fictitious “intellectual” blackmail, just such comparison, even where such a comparison is most apt and intellectually honest. It is the duty of every honest person to expose this blackmail.

“Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths; whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace…

“…And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey…”

I wonder what her friends AND the law would think of her if she stuck a vacuum cleaner hose into a pregnant poodle and turned the vac on full power?

Seems about the same level of mercy to me.

“Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.”

I seriously cannot believe this. This is so creepy and murderously hideous.

And they think too many guns is a problem in this country. . . .

Anyone who has a grasp of basic logic can shoot holes through this line of “reasoning” without hardly trying.

Part of the problem, besides sin becoming the “norm” is that people are no longer expected to actually think. To get down to foundations, all she is doing is trotting out another dressed up pile of crap that is just relativism. Some lives are human but aren’t as valuable as others? This post on this site was aptly named-lives not worth living. Who decides who isn’t worth their life? Moronic liberals think people will use common sense (which they confuse for their own arbitrary mood) but in reality, it will be whomever has to power to do it. Who isn’t worth the air they breathe today? Not Jews or Blacks or whomever else because society is sufficiently Outraged (TM) about attacks on them from before. Now its the unborn, because no one sees their suffering and it is much easier to hide the horrific things they are subject to from the eyes of the public.

We’ve been through this all before, yet it never ceases to amaze me just how stupid and unwilling to learn from mistakes humans can be.

I wonder if someone here could provide the phonetic pronounciation of “LEBENSUNWERTES LEBEN”. I think I might be using it soon.

She, and her kind, are evidence that abortion is not altogether a bad thing. But do they consider what might have been their fate it their mothers had considered the same arguments they propound? Hell no!

CarolynP,
Leibensunwertes lebens is pronounced
lay-bns-oon-ver-tes lay-ben it transliterates as life-unworthy life, or in modern English, “low quality of life”

there is a vowel in the second syllable, honest. it’s an ‘e’.

Excellent. Thanks, Dan!