“I can’t stress this often enough. If you are a Christian, it’s not a matter of if you will leave the Episcopal Organization, it’s a matter of when. And “when” is coming a lot faster than you think.”

Agreed.

I left in 2005. Never looked back.

“When” is coming a lot sooner than some people think. It won’t be just bishops or priests, either. The groundwork has been put into place to go after laity.

The revision of the disciplinary canons at GC2009 was one of the big reasons that the Diocese of SC disassociated from that convention. All the “improvements” in those canons were nothing more than window dressing. The end result was to fast-track push-back on any bishop, priest, deacon or lay-person with any kind of authority in a parish or diocese whenever that person disagreed with the party line.

GC2009 just went all Gulag with those changes. I will be most interested to see the wording in the Accord which – apparently – has been reached between the Amicus Seven and the Flying Monkeys of TEC.

It seems that the “conciliation” was in reality a reeducation camp exercise. I wonder when the burning of the Bibles and (the official) banning the name Jesus will begin.

I presume +Martins was persuaded to take the post down because it says “we believe” TEC court actions threaten the integrity and polity of the church. Note, not “we believed,” but “we still do.”

They may or may not go after laity anytime soon, but clergy will be forced to renounce traditional beliefs.

“According to the canons, an Accord is not officially reached until the Presiding Bishop approves it.”

Reading this, for some reason I was struck with the thought of an event in Irish history. In 1603, Queen Elizabeth I became very ill and was eventually succeeded by James VI and I. Now, over in Ireland, we were at the tail end of the Nine Years’ War, and Hugh O’Neill was preparing to surrender and to negotiate with the English.

For their part, the English were very anxious to get a surrender and treaty signed before news of the Queen’s illness reached Irish ears. Why? Several reasons; now that O’Neill was ready to make peace, they wanted to seal it; O’Neill was counting on the Queen’s previous good feelings for him to get favourable conditions and if he knew there would be a new king in her place, he might be less likely to sign the treaty; and, from what later happened, the Irish point of view was that the English were being their usual insincere selves and counting on being able to wiggle out of keeping their side of the bargain by saying “You signed a treaty with the Queen but there was actually a King on the throne at the time so it doesn’t count!”

Anyway, that’s why – rightly or wrongly – we look back with some jaundice on the Treaty of Mellifont.

Given how even whispering about this Accord means it gets memory-holed, I think Bishop Martins has just been Mellifonted. But hey, I’m only a pre-revisionist Irish peasant, what do I know?

My,my,my…the progressives are progressing rapidly.

Dan Martins is getting a dose of Shori-toxin.

This is what happens to anyone who dares to question Episcopal Gaystapo Head Shori and Herr Fuhrer Ubermeister President for Life, Obama, her spiritual/political twin. Same spirit, same tactics.

Inauguration festivities 2013:
Gay Marriages in the National Cathedral.
Gay Cuban-American Poetry at the Inauguration.
Sermon by a Non-clergy Civil Rights Activist Widow.

No pretense of Christianity this time around.

Ahead for Obama’s second term or one of his post-Constitution permanent terms:
- terror (biological, bomb, chemical, economical, political, legal),
- chaos, martial law,
- Obama’s domestic discipline enforcement army (Newly amnestied Islamists and Communist Illegal Aliens and Imports, Black Panther Party and Union thugs)
- punishment for dissent, confiscation of wealth, gulags or death.

I can’t claim to know or have corresponded with you, Fuinseoig, but we are similarly beholden to the proprietor of this web site for running the classy joint that he does, and even if you and I weren’t both mackeral snappers, I’d have to say that historically-informed Irish peasants are my kind of people. Thanks for the look back.

Patrick, Irish history is great for back-stabbing, broken treaties, and general breaking of promises and turning on each other

“Dan Martins is getting a dose of Shori-toxin.”

No sympathy from this corner of the world-wide-web for any kvetching, whining, or general bitching from folks still in TEc about the conduct of 815 and the PBS.

NONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCPccFQHWA

Fuinseoig,

And that is just at family Christmas dinners.

They may or may not go after laity anytime soon, but clergy will be forced to renounce traditional beliefs.

I wouldn’t be feeling too confident about that if I were still an Episcopal layman. Thankfully, I left TEC in late 2006 along with my parish.

Great new term for the in-episcopal shenanigans, “mellifonted”!

Thanks, Fuinseoig!

I left in 1983. Come on out, the water’s foul.

What do they plan to do to lay people, garnish their wages? Kidnap their pets? If TEc is hell-bent on self-destructing as quickly as possible–as we know that it is–it seems like its leadership have hit upon the ideal strategy of trying to chastize and penalize their few remaining members. You go, girls!

“If TEc is hell-bent on self-destructing as quickly as possible–as we know that it is–it seems like its leadership have hit upon the ideal strategy of trying to chastize and penalize their few remaining members. You go, girls!“

Your last sentence brings to mind this recent video that I saw:

Ordain a Lady

Mike, under the new canons (which TEC may or may not observe, depending on how big a hurry they’re in), Vestry and other lay leaders can be brought up on ecclesiastical charges and removed much as bishops are now. Those who think their parishes are “safe” will be stunned to find how rapidly their priest and leadership could be replaced without a vote. There’s a large traditional parish in my city which thinks it is immune. It isn’t.

Sounds like KJS and Co. needed to run the “settlement” by Louie Crew and Susie Russell first to see if it represented enough penitence to allow them to keep their posts. If it didn’t meet the GLBTQXYZ requirements, they would have been summarily removed anyways regardless of any “accord” they thought was reached.

Bp. Martins hasn’t been fully re-educated yet it seems. I think even his tepid and obtuse statement will be seen as breaking “confidentiality.”

The Presiding Banshee probably had at least two reasons for shutting Bishop Martins up. First, based on what Bp. Martins said, if she doen’t approve the agreement she looks like a —– or at least more of one. Second, she still has to prosecute Bp. Salmon and the two other bishops who filed amicus brief with regard to the Diocese of Quincy.

Banshees have an honorable, socially valid position in traditional society, uphold traditional feminine occupations, and are known to be much more accurate reporters than meteorologists or journalists.

In short, I feel that no decent banshee would wish to be associated with Ms. Schori.

“But peering through (her) prism-glass of lies, (s)he sees a kingdom fair
As day in all its varied hours bending into rainbow there…”

Well, now, let’s not be completely derogatory and give a little credit where credit is due.

During the Russian Civil War, Bronstein (a/k/a Trotsky) would go through all the the trouble of rounding up groups of priests and nuns and then shooting them. Very inefficient.

Under Stalin, the Father of the Peoples, things were made much more efficient. All persons charged with a crime were entitled to a trial, a sentencing hearing and free transportation to either the Gulag or the place of execution

The key to such efficiency was that the charges and sentencing were done BEFORE the arrest and the “trial” before a Troika only lasted for the time it took for the Defendant to sign his/her name to a confession which had also been prepared BEFORE the trial.

Seems the Episcopo Gay Cult is now exercising the same efficiency. Have the forms and procedures in place before someone steps out of line – then hit them immediately.

After all, “Due Process of Law” is such an antiquated “Magna Carta” thing – not at all as enlightened as we moderns.

Sharkey (apologies to Tolkien) is as Sharkey does. She will ultimately lose, but the process will hurt as many people as she can.

The VC were similarly prepared during Te – they had signed death warrants with blanks to fill in the name.

Left what was a “cardinal parish” in 2009. So have 3/4 of the numerous parishioners I knew. Went back for Christmas Eve “midnight” mass. For the first time I can ever remember, arrived late and EASILY found a seat. “Orthodox” diocese, BTW.

With similar bottom diving results having as their causal link the methods, malice, and mayhem of the practitioners of sentamentalist, coercive, “egalitarian”, “modern” liberalism, even an observer has to wonder at TE”{[C]}”‘s leadership’s fundamental intent. You know, the real reason for why they’ve done what they’ve done.

The only conclusion is that the “leadership” in power is possessed by malicious intent. With stuff like “the Show Trial” and now thousands of other examples no other conclusion bears scrutiny. N.O.N.E.

R.I.P. TE “{([C])}” – time of death sometime in the mists between the 20th and early 21st centuries

Posted by FW Ken

Whether the original was a parody or not, this one definitely is. I give you…

Ordain a Lady/The Priestess Connection

http://redcardigan.blogspot.com/2013/01/priestess-connection-now-parody-video.html

or go directly to YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIjqO9W6lm8

Red Cardigan has a bit of information about the video. Apparently, she knows the guy who wrote it.

The color of the cover of the TEC Canons has been changing with each General Convention, e.g. 2009 was brown (Brownshirts?), 2006 green (Al Gore’s movie “A Convenient Untruth” was played in Columbus), and 2003, as I recall blue (“be true to your friends”). The 2012 Canons should be published with a red cover and entitled the Little Red Book for the Government of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America.

Chris, the two possibilities you mention are not mutually exclusive. In fact I suspect both are true: The bishops may have caved (to what degree we may know later) AND Schori’s ecclesiastical KGB now has an effective “legal” weapon it can use against anyone in TEO who dissents from the party line.

I also suspect that the reason Bp. Martins’ statement had to be pulled from the website, yet a similar statement by Bishop Love is still being circulated is that Bp. Martins’ statement contained this sentence:

“We believe that these claims falsely construe our polity, and to leave them unchallenged and allow them to contribute to the formation of legal precedent would be injurious to the long-term interets of our respective dioceses and of the Episcopal Church generally.”

In other words, Bp. Martins’ statement still continued to assert the positive value of the bishops’ actions in filing the amicus brief. It didn’t reflect the “repentance” the bishops were supposed to have experienced at the hands of the Inquisition–er, excuse me, “Conciliation.”

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot: Bp. Salmon and the two other bishops who filed amicus brief with regard to the Diocese of Quincy were included in this Inquisition–er, darn, I did it again, “Conciliation” exercise.

Thanks Son, I was not aware of that as Martin only references 8 bishops. I believe there were 8 falsely accused in Ft. Worth and three in Quincy.