Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

Come, come. Now she wouldn’t want to endanger hre chances of being the head of the Epicopal Divinity School, would she? Somebody might object. ;^) ;^)

I went to the Damian Thompson link and there were 53 comments to his article. Not one was favorable. Most think she’s evil incarnate. Granted he’s a pro-Catholic writer, but this was the Telegraph, which is a MSM newspaper.

That’s very telling.

For a real eye-opener here is another Ragsdale sermon:

http://www.syrf.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=16&name=DLFE-50.pdf

Go to Stand Firm and read all the Margaret Sanger quotes:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/21516/

This should give us an idea of the idealogy of Hillary Clinton as well since she just accepted the Margaret Sanger award from Planned Parenthood.

No question that Mses. (plural of Ms.) Ragsdale, Schori and (Michelle) Obama in addition to Messrs. Obama, VGR, Fred Hiltz, Rowan Williams and so many others are really Satanic people!!

It’s these variously effeminate, cowardly, mentally-eviscerated men (whether sodomite or straight) and possessed men-hating (and very often women-haters too!!!) lesbians who prove that absolutely NO homosexuals (including transsexuals and bisexuals!!) and very few women should be put into actual positions of capital leadership (as absolute heads of any department associated with theology) in any Christian church or congregation.

I expect Hillary Clinton didn’t know the truth about Margaret Sanger’s views either, since they were covered up by PP for so long. All most people know is that Sanger was the “saint” who distributed birth control to poor women. They don’t know her fascist views on the “inferior” races.

[...] Midwest Conservative Journal has links to where the sermon is still publicly posted on other sites.  The cached copy is here, and here is a PDF of the cached page with the entire sermon, Our Work Is Not Done. [...]

It’s epidemic – US News & World Report’s Bonnie Erbe argues that abortion might be a good choice in a recession:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2009/4/1/in-a-recession-abortions-are-not-a-bad-choice.html

Lord have mercy upon us!

We live in a very sick society amidst people who are hurting and in need of the Truth. We must be in prayer for the courage to witness to that Truth and for God to shed his grace on those in need of it who have not come to the knowledge of his Son.

If these people believe in their positions, why do they hide them? Thew Forrester took down his Buddhist sermons, too. They cannot stand the light.

Someone on the Telegraph site posted Spong’s 12 Theses, I suppose for fun. Which it was.

This is somewhat off-topic, but bear with me. I was fussing about this crazy lady, thinking about our Catholic abortion lobby. Sure, we don’t make them bishops and seminary presidents, at least when they express their views publicly. Anyway, I came across this from John Allen, a relatively liberal Catholic reporter who clearly went looking for American style issues in Africa. Here’s what he found (the abortion parts are in the first third of the article)

http://ncronline.org/blogs/all-things-catholic/liberation-theology-african-style

I’m moving to Africa…

There is someone else who cannot stand the light, Fr. Fountain!

FW Ken, you can only move to Africa if you promise to keep commenting here.

So she’s no longer proud of being a baby-killing b_tch? She now prefers to be a gutless liberal?

How predictable.

They cannot stand the light.

Like cockroaches, they scatter.

I really hope she’s not permitted to sweep this down the memory hole. If she repents of this view (my glass is always half full!) then let her do so as publicly as she espoused it. If she still believes it, let her defend it… or take the hit to her reputation for failing to do so.

Far, far, far too late, lady. Delighted to know she’s feeling the heat. God grant her the repentance so she avoids the eternal variety.

Fr Fountain —

So, so right. Darkness cannot ever tolerate light.

That wretch John Allen has NO PLACE as an employee of any sort of a Catholic newspaper that is truly worth the name!! He deserves to be fired with no time even to “sharpen the axe-blade!”

Otherwise, how I’d love to see those “liberal/radical” Commies and Nazis (at bottom as totalitarian régimes, they’re the same) be arrested, stripped of their citizenship and absolutely any and all papers as well as any possessions aside from the minimum possible “clothes on their backs” and then be parachuted right into North Korea. Since they love totalitarianism and hate God so exceedingly much, let them go to the Orwellian Paradise and absolutely NEVER come back for at least 25 years – with absolutely NO PAROLE!!! Their families and friends are more than welcome to join them there!!

So many, many, many of those people born starting 1939 and later deserved – and to this day deserve – to be dealt with that way (deportation) or worse! As to those who didn’t want to serve their country when it was at war in Vietnam or elsewhere: that’s when the Western world should have acted as follows.

All those protesters and their professors with such sympathies should have been drafted on the spot and then dumped straight into the front lines with the minimum weaponry and training and forced to fight the enemy or else be shot down by their own troops. That’s what Stáljin did with his army, and – way before our times – Jenghiz Khan likewise (including with his subject peoples)!!

Either way, an excellent way of getting rid of undesirables…

Thank you, Sibyl.

Sasha, don’t worry, John Allen doesn’t write for a Catholic journal.

Now that we’ve reached the logical conclusions of all the ultra-lib, UU nonsense, they run for the hills when they get exposed to their own cheerleading squad? They OWN the freakin’ institution. Abortion and gay marriage are the litmus sacraments for the left.Coming to a prayerbook near you.

Well said, Bill2!! Time for us to get our OWN copies of those prayer-books, missals, hymnals, Bibles, etc., so that we can say our services by ourselves or for family and close friends if absolutely necessary. Also, we MUST be prepared to hide them well – when the Commies gain full power, we must be prepared for them to do house-to-house searches at their whim for whatever they want!!!

Whatever they find that they don’t want, they’ll confiscate “just like that” and throw whole families into their GULags!!!

So how do you spread as far and wide the cached version. Shine a light on this FRAUD.

That wretch John Allen has NO PLACE as an employee of any sort of a Catholic newspaper that is truly worth the name!!

Sasha – the nickname for the National Catholic Reporter (Allen’s paper), is the “National Catholic Distorter.” It’s a Catholic publication in much the same way that Notre Dame is a Catholic university.

Actually, on second thought, Notre Dame is a much more Catholic institution than the Distorter is. At least some of the students are protesting our Dear Leader’s upcoming trip there. The Distorter’s people would be stumbling all over themselves for a grip on the Light Workers sweaty palm.

Maybe she’s just thin-skinned and yes, cowardly, but she has nothing to fear from the Episcopalians. She’s mainstream there.

Abortion and gay marriage are the litmus sacraments for the left. Coming to a prayerbook near you.

As I’ve been saying lately, if you have old-fashioned values (same-sex sex is against nature and there’s no such thing as gay marriage), go to church and are Protestant ultimately you’re screwed because those churches can and do change their doctrine.

The evangelicals are only one jump removed because they too believe in an fallible church.

Our host possibly jumping to Geneva and the Anglo-Catholic dioceses that just rightly quit the Episcs for the Southern Cone are only putting it off. (Hint: the United Church of Christ started off as Calvinists.)

As for the Episcs my impression is you can be as high-church and credally orthodox as I am, FWIW, IF you sign off on women clergy and the gay thing. (That is, not be Catholic: believe in a fallible church.) Based on the Revd Ragsdale’s new job I wouldn’t be surprised if abortion is added to the list soon.

Thought the UCC, Christian Church, Advent Christians, and 7th Day Adventists all sprang up from the Millerites and the Great Disapointment of October 22,1844, just before the War of Northern Aggression.

So now the Rev Few Thorrester is trying to pretend he never said any of that heresy he spouted? Ho, ho, ho! Too bad for him! GG of StandFirm has already made copies of his webbisms.

Yes, a pair of moral cowards who will not stand behind what they have said. Perfect leaders for The Church of the General Convention!

Don’t know about the others but the United Church of the Zeitgeist began in 1957 with the merger of most of the Congregationalists with the Evangelical and Reformed Church. I think that’s why there are two UCZ churches within a block of each other in my hometown. One used to be Congregational while the other was E and R. And I know Eden Seminary, which is also here, was E and R when Niebuhr went there.

Advent Christians and 7th Day Adventists do stem from the Millerites and the 1844 “Great Disappointment,” while the Disciples of Christ, together with the Church of Christ and Churches of Christ (the first liberal, the last two ultra-conservative) stem from the early 19th century “Restorationist Movement” (Campbell and Stone). The UCC (I congratulate Christopher Johnson on the wonderful UCZ acronym) originated as our host has indicated.

Thanks, Christopher: IIRC the bulk of the UCZ are the old Congregationalists as in Plymouth Rock, Cotton Mather and all that (some of whom jumped the gun at the ‘Enlightenment’ and turned into Unitarians) and of course the ‘Reformed’ in E and R was Calvinist.

IIRC E and R were the American extension of the state’s forced merger in Germany of the Lutheran and Reformed churches; the Germans against that formed many American Lutheran churches including the Missouri Synod (LCMS), keeping distinctive Lutheran theology – semi-Catholic sacramentology and liturgy but not Catholic ecclesiology or holy orders – as opposed to Calvinism.

German and Hungarian Reformed churches in America were folded into the UCZ; the Presbyterians (Scots) and Dutch Reformed (now the Reformed Church in America and conservative splinters, just like the Presbys) remain separate. But I think the mainliners are all in communion – splinters that are still Calvinist are not mainline. Like with the Lutherans: ELCA = mainline – Scandinavian Episcopalians really; LCMS = not mainline.

I understand some American towns have one church building shared by two old German congregations, one Lutheran, the other now UCZ. When the Lutheran one is now ELCA it’s funny because the two sides are now in communion; I’ve read one brief account of one minister doing both services in one place!

I understand Sibyl’s confusion because there were some ‘Christian Churches’ (same name as some churches in the Restorationist family of Protestantism) in the mergers that formed the UCZ.

It’s been my experience that while John Allen writes for the National Catholic Distorter, he is respected by all for being an impartial reporter. In fact, he’s about the only thing worth reading in that heterodox rag, and would that he had a worthier employer.

I can’t find it on the cached site…

It doesn’t seem to be there anymore. But the other two links have it. Thanks for the heads-up.

Hilary White reposted it as well, complete with comments thread.

Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered, and let all that hate Him flee from before His face. – The Paschal Stichera

Dave Pawlak -

John Allen is a fair man with a heavy dose of American inculturation. Which is to say, he’s really hot to be liberal, but honest enough to see the other side. The article I linked was, I think, typical Allen: he went looking for American-style cafeteria Catholicism, but was recognize and present African Catholicism on it’s own terms.

Actually, I think that the E & R were not the product of the coerced “Prussian Union” of 1817 (which united German Lutherans and Calvinists in Prussia and which caused the flight of those who founded the Missouri Synod), but represented 18th-Century (and later) German emigration from those German states that embraced Calvinism in the second half of the 16th century — states like the Palatinate (especially), Anhalt, Bremen and a scattering of others, as well as a few German Swiss. The E & R had a considerable Calvinist “high-church” in the 19th century (the “Mercersburg Theology”) that attracted the considerable suspicion of other Calvinist denominations.

Christorpher, in my neighborhood there is an Episcopal parish and a UU ‘church’ within yards of each other – they share the same block and the same parking lot. Twins…

Ragsdale has reposted her sermon but on her blog instead and there is her commentary on it as well:

http://katherineragsdale.blogspot.com/

Well, I’m glad it was recorded somewhere.

But I don’t think I can bear to read her commentary about it.

NARAL is showin’ some luv.

Regarding the Revd Ragsdale’s explanation, I get it: the snobs hate pro-lifers, the Wrong Kind of White People (how the so-called egalitarian say ‘not our class, dear’). In other news sun rises in east.

Not surprising really that such rationalise killing people who are inconvenient to them.

In my time I’ve done clinic protests and remember nice older Roman Catholics praying peacefully whilst the clinic guards said sacrilegious things to try and start a fight.

YF -

They don’t call themselves “The Brights” for nothing.

http://www.the-brights.net/

Why…why…I had this woman all wrong! She’s not a “monster,” she’s a “hero” according to her blog explanation. The abortion clinic had been “all shot up!” There were “bullet holes in the door!” It was literally a free-fire zone! And into this potential “valley of death” walked this brave, brave woman to “rally the troops.! So she went a little overboard – it was war! Patton went overboard, too. Bravo! (Oh, just for the record, honey, could we have the date, time and location of the “shoot up,” the police reports, the investigation made, the arrests, etc. Just for the record, you see, not doubting your word or anything)

interesting switch…abortion is not a blessing…pregnancy however is a “tragedy”

Chris, thanks for publicizing this. I read the EDS announcement and the abortion speech to my young-marrieds Sunday school class this morning. Stunned silence all around. What can you say to something like this???

That vile DEMONESS Ms. Ragsdale’s reposting of her “sermon” of evil elsewhere is STILL an act of cowardice after removing it from its original site – were she truly brave, she’d never have deleted it there to begin with!!!