+Mark Lawrence,is the good leaven from the DSJ. He is one more gift from God via Bishop J. D. Schofield.

I was wondering why TEC would do this until I remembered that while parish property is probably beyond their reach, the Diocese of SC may have some diocesan property and funds they’d like to get their hands on.

Didn’t Quincy and San Joaquin both “continue” with a very few “loyalists”? Like 200 in Quincy? I think TEC Fort Worth kept a couple of thousand on the books but less than 1500 ASA.

While I have never been able to grasp all of the inner workings of the episcop homosexual cult, I do find its actions comparable to the revolutionaries of Vatican II who drove me, and many others, away from Rome. I ended-up in Russian Orthodoxy – others in different havens.

It would appear that the good people of South Carolina have committed the “crime” of being Christians who accept the Word of God as the final word on matters. They have been found guilty of “heresy” before the Court of Modernism for not accepting the “new spirit.” May God continue to bless them.

I never knew that the episcopos had a Pope. Is Shori infallible? Does she have ecclesiastical jurisdiction over all?

“Thou art Shori and upon this Rock I will build My Church.” Sorry – doesn’t work for me.

FW Ken
Yes, there is the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin and the Continuing Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin which is a Potemkin village.

I was hoping they wouldn’t got this far, but I should have known better. I grew up going to St. Philips (otherwise known as the Mother Church). Even though I’ve left Charleston and TEC, my family is still pretty evenly split between St. Michael’s and St. Philip’s–if TEC finds The Falls Church in Virginia difficult to maintain due to its age and historic significance (old churches take tons of money), just wait til they see St. Philips and St. Michael’s–hugely larger than The Falls Church and in need of constant maintenance, and they’re just the start of the list.

On the other hand, I do not see members of the Diocese of South Carolina going quietly into the night. There is a small group out to get +Lawrence, but from what I hear from family and friends there, he is very well supported by the clergy and laity. He has a good legal team, and as Chris mentioned above, the SC Supreme Court gives the diocese a strong hand. To top it all off, nothing gets Southerners more united than some New York hotshots coming down and telling us what is and isn’t ours.

What I put up on the ENS statement that you linked:

“Our denomination needs to quit going around crowing about how we are down with ‘the young people’ who don’t want ‘legalistic, judgmental religion.’ We spend millions of dollars, given for God’s work, on these lawsuits over titles, position and physical property. Or maybe just on petty grudges.”

Remember, this is TEc’s “evangelism”.

South Carolina has a LONG history of marching to the pound of their own drummers. It would not surprise me if the (expletive deleted) Yankees find out that their hotel reservations get “lost” or at the $1000 a night suites become small doubles… Cars break down, drivers get tickets, little old blue haired ladies lodge complaints… Our Lady of the Oven Mitt is in for a world of hurt… She is taking on a completely different culture than anything she has ever imagined.

Take it from a smartbuttyankeecollege boy; there are two types that are guaranteed to get a southerner’s dander up… The Left Coast and New York lefties and anyone telling that they are wrong.

I found the documents linked at the Diocesan Website (which our genteel host provided a link to at the top of his post) most illuminating.

They give a timeline of events for this kerfuffle.

I am sure the Usual Suspects within the Diocese of SC will whine about how badly Bishop Lawrence and the Standing Committee and Diocesan Convention have been behaving of late. Let them. The Diocese gave them a quit claim to their property. They are free to do as they please. What they are not free to do is tell the Diocese what it can, or cannot, do.

Given the ruling of the State of SC Supreme Court regarding its opinon of the Dennis Canon, I don’t see that TEC has much of a legal position with regard to parish property in the diocese. Nor do I see how TEC has much of a legal claim to diocesan assets. I do know that the Diocese of SC is prepared to defend itself.

It is going to be an interesting time in the diocese. I will be praying for them.

Schorl is Hitler to Bp. Lowrance’s Bonhoeffer.
Thank God she is only Presiding Bishop instead of President USA, or Bp. Lowrance would be “swinging”.

I don’t see how TEC is entitled to *anything* there, and I don’t see them getting anything but bad publicity out of this. Probably losing a lot of money again since they don’t seem to have a lot of friends in the state courts.

On the bright side, more money to lawyers means less money to promote the murder of unborn babies, killing homosexuals by promoting a physically and emotionally toxic way of life, and wrecking third world economies with their bogus ecological claims. TEC is a death cult, too stupid in their arrogance to marshall their resources to promote their real agenda of draining all that’s good and happy from the world.

This could be fun if the Dio SC were to file paperwork to stop the convention because the EOUSA no longer has any standing within the area of the diocese.

I think what many of us are trying to grapple with is: what does TEC gain from a turf war in SC? They won’t win any hearts and minds, nor will they win any weekly offerings, nor will they get to sell the property (not after the quit-claims from last year). They’re going to have to sell a few more suburban parishes to pay for this – parishes that could have helped anchor Schori’s pension fund.

Is it just a warning to the other dioceses not to get rebellious?

“Oh no she didn’t.”

The woman is a menace. Prayers for Bishop Lawrence and those under his care.

“Oh no she didn’t.”

Heh. I heard that out loud just as soon as I read it. I wonder if KJS is familiar with that phrase.

The TEC charges agianst Lawrence and his Diocese are the same as what the Chinese Communist Party at its most brutally dictatorial laid against anybody/faction in the Party whom they deemed and enemy of the “progressive orthodoxies” (The Canons: PBUT) and/or the decisions of the Politburo (815) and/or the National Peoples’ Congress (General Convention): SPLITTISM. (i,e. The pursuance of factional interests in opposition to official Communist Party policy).

Actually, I think it’s pronounced, “Oh no she dinnit!”

The Second War of Northern Aggression as begun.

I found it interesting that Bishop Waldo was trying to be a mediator between +Lawrence and –Schori, even though the papers were signed and sealed.

I notice Madame Schori is claiming she didn’t find out until Oct 10, even though it was done back in the middle of September.

I do not find that to be a very credible statement.

Allen Lewis: “I do not find that to be a very credible statement.” A masterpiece of understatement.

Freedom of religion and property rights. Never mind how you feel about the religion. The Episcopalians are a**holes but that’s their right, like when they kept Good Shepherd, Binghamton, claiming they needed it, and sold it to Muslims.

So +Lawrence was subject to double jeopardy, with two of the three charges listed ones that were dismissed last year? That’s how TEC works?

That’s how cults work.

Ve haf no concept of ze ‘double jeopardy’ in our cannon (sic…intended).
– frau under-leutnant commandant Schori

If the moderator will pardon my doing this, I’ve posted a comment on this story on “First Thoughts”:

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/10/18/south-carolina-out/

Actually, I think it’s pronounced, “Oh no she dinnit!”

Could be a regional variation. Here it is “Oh-oo no-she-di’n'!”

Allen Lewis: “I do not find that to be a very credible statement.” A masterpiece of understatement

Why, thank you, Katherine!

I feel really complemented!

Harmless Idiot wrote: “Thank God she is only Presiding Bishop instead of President USA, or Bp. Lowrance would be “swinging”.”

Don’t forget the President USA is an avid homosexual activity promoter if not participant.

FW Ken said it all: “…promote the murder of unborn babies, killing homosexuals by promoting a physically and emotionally toxic way of life, and wrecking third world economies with their bogus ecological claims. TEC is a death cult, too stupid in their arrogance to marshall their resources to promote their real agenda of draining all that’s good and happy from the world.”

TEC are Baal worshippers, plain and simple.