RAISING THE FLAG

Wednesday, October 17th, 2012 | Uncategorized

In a move that should shock or surprise absolutely no one, Mrs. Schori and her pseudo-spiritual debating society have officially declared war against the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina:

On Monday, October 15, 2012, Bishop Mark J. Lawrence, the 14th Bishop of the Diocese of South Carolina was notified by the Presiding [Officer] of The Episcopal [Organization], Katharine Jefferts Schori, that on September 18, 2012 the Disciplinary Board for Bishops had certified his abandonment of The Episcopal [Organization].

Because of the Episcopal Organization’s aggression, the Diocese has decided to stop pretending any longer.

This action by The Episcopal [Organization] triggered two pre-existing corporate resolutions of the Diocese, which simultaneously disaffiliated the Diocese from The Episcopal [Organization] and called a Special Convention. That Convention will be held at St. Philip’s Church, Charleston, on Saturday, November 17, 2012.

The problem with Mark Lawrence is that his god is Yahweh and not the Zeitgeist.

Bishop Lawrence was notified of these actions taken by the Episcopal [Organization] between two meetings, one held on October 3 and one to be held on October 22, which Bishop Andrew Waldo of the Diocese of Upper South Carolina and Bishop Lawrence had set up with the Presiding [Officer] to find a peaceful alternative to the growing issues between The Episcopal [Organization] and the Diocese of South Carolina. The meetings were to explore “creative solutions”

But Bishop Lawrence torpedoed all that when he kept insisting that the Word of God means what it clearly says.

for resolving these issues to avoid further turmoil in the Diocese and in The Episcopal [Organization]. A timeline of these events and their associated documents may be found below.

Episcopalians routinely babble on about how their “democratic polity” and how much it was influenced by that of the United States.  So it sure would be nice if they’d eventually get around to the bit about being able to face your accusers.

Two of the three charges had previously been determined by a majority vote of the Disciplinary Board for Bishops in November 2011 not to constitute abandonment. The Diocese has not received a signed copy of the certification and also remains uninformed of the identity of those making these charges.

But don’t worry about South Carolina.  It knows Who it worships while the Episcopal Organization worships it knows not what.

We feel a deep sense of sadness but a renewed sense of God’s providence that The Episcopal Church has chosen to act against this Diocese and its Bishop during a good faith attempt resolve our differences peacefully. These actions make it clear The Episcopal Church no longer desires to be affiliated with the Diocese of South Carolina.

I’m not a lawyer, I just play one on the Internet.  I don’t know if the fact that the Episcopalians fired the first shot helps South Carolina’s legal cause any but I suspect that it may have a considerable impact.

For one thing, once the lawsuits get going, TEO will face a far more hostile legal environment than it has ever had to face before.  If I’m not mistaken, a South Carolina court has already declared the Dennis Canon a dead letter in the Palmetto State.

[UPDATE: I'm not mistaken.  Thanks to the Anglican Curmudgeon.]

In other dioceses that the Episcopalians have sued, there has been a sufficient quantity of Episcopal leftists for Mrs. Schori to go to the trouble of setting up Quisling bishops and standing committees and establishing Potemkin dioceses and parishes.

But I’m not sure that the Episcopalians can round up enough loyalists to keep two or three parishes going for any length of time, never mind an entire diocese.  And from all indications, 815 will face a diocese whose people have overwhelmingly expressed their hostility to the Episcopal innovations again and again.

Should South Carolina throw in with the Anglican Church of North America?  I wouldn’t for two reasons.  Doing so might undercut South Carolina’s legal position; TEO could claim that Charleston intended to join ACNA all along.

The simple fact of the matter is that South Carolina doesn’t need ACNA and its headaches right now.  The Diocese has a history that goes back almost 400 years and its Anglican identity predates just about everybody else on this continent.  And South Carolina is thriving on its own while ACNA, as promising as it has sometimes shown itself to be, is still finding its sea legs.

What if South Carolina wins its independence from New York tyranny?  Can South Carolina make it as an independent Anglican entity?  I don’t see why not since it’s been practically independent for several years now anyway.

What would its relationship be with the rest of the Anglican world?  If Charleston is freed from the Episcopal yoke, I suppose the Episcopalians will put great pressure on Lambeth Palace and its next inhabitant to withhold any recognition of what would, in effect, be a new but small Anglican province.  If that happens, South Carolina may then come to some kind of accommodation with ACNA, up to and including actual membership.

But this, as Shakespeare put it, lies all within the will of God.  We all knew this day was coming.  We all knew that it was only a matter of time before the Episcopalians, by fair means or foul, purged the last of their “heretics.”  And the sooner the Diocese of South Carolina can finally get itself clear of the cold, dead hand of Episcopalianism, the better for it and for every Christian in the Low Country.

I have to believe that there is no way the Episcopalians will prevail, mainly because the thought of such grand, historic Anglican churches as St. Michael’s and St. Philip’s falling into Episcopal hands and then being sold for God-knows-what when TEO’s new parishes there fail sickens me.  But South Carolina doesn’t sound like it’s worried so I guess no one else should be either.

UPDATE:  The party line is up.

31 Comments to RAISING THE FLAG

Dale Matson
October 17, 2012

+Mark Lawrence,is the good leaven from the DSJ. He is one more gift from God via Bishop J. D. Schofield.

Katherine
October 17, 2012

I was wondering why TEC would do this until I remembered that while parish property is probably beyond their reach, the Diocese of SC may have some diocesan property and funds they’d like to get their hands on.

FW Ken
October 17, 2012

Didn’t Quincy and San Joaquin both “continue” with a very few “loyalists”? Like 200 in Quincy? I think TEC Fort Worth kept a couple of thousand on the books but less than 1500 ASA.

Don Janousek
October 17, 2012

While I have never been able to grasp all of the inner workings of the episcop homosexual cult, I do find its actions comparable to the revolutionaries of Vatican II who drove me, and many others, away from Rome. I ended-up in Russian Orthodoxy – others in different havens.

It would appear that the good people of South Carolina have committed the “crime” of being Christians who accept the Word of God as the final word on matters. They have been found guilty of “heresy” before the Court of Modernism for not accepting the “new spirit.” May God continue to bless them.

I never knew that the episcopos had a Pope. Is Shori infallible? Does she have ecclesiastical jurisdiction over all?

“Thou art Shori and upon this Rock I will build My Church.” Sorry – doesn’t work for me.

Dale Matson
October 17, 2012

FW Ken
Yes, there is the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin and the Continuing Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin which is a Potemkin village.

Branford
October 17, 2012

I was hoping they wouldn’t got this far, but I should have known better. I grew up going to St. Philips (otherwise known as the Mother Church). Even though I’ve left Charleston and TEC, my family is still pretty evenly split between St. Michael’s and St. Philip’s–if TEC finds The Falls Church in Virginia difficult to maintain due to its age and historic significance (old churches take tons of money), just wait til they see St. Philips and St. Michael’s–hugely larger than The Falls Church and in need of constant maintenance, and they’re just the start of the list.

On the other hand, I do not see members of the Diocese of South Carolina going quietly into the night. There is a small group out to get +Lawrence, but from what I hear from family and friends there, he is very well supported by the clergy and laity. He has a good legal team, and as Chris mentioned above, the SC Supreme Court gives the diocese a strong hand. To top it all off, nothing gets Southerners more united than some New York hotshots coming down and telling us what is and isn’t ours.

Timothy Fountain
October 17, 2012

What I put up on the ENS statement that you linked:

“Our denomination needs to quit going around crowing about how we are down with ‘the young people’ who don’t want ‘legalistic, judgmental religion.’ We spend millions of dollars, given for God’s work, on these lawsuits over titles, position and physical property. Or maybe just on petty grudges.”

dwstroudmd+
October 17, 2012

Remember, this is TEc’s “evangelism”.

Barney
October 17, 2012

South Carolina has a LONG history of marching to the pound of their own drummers. It would not surprise me if the (expletive deleted) Yankees find out that their hotel reservations get “lost” or at the $1000 a night suites become small doubles… Cars break down, drivers get tickets, little old blue haired ladies lodge complaints… Our Lady of the Oven Mitt is in for a world of hurt… She is taking on a completely different culture than anything she has ever imagined.

Take it from a smartbuttyankeecollege boy; there are two types that are guaranteed to get a southerner’s dander up… The Left Coast and New York lefties and anyone telling that they are wrong.

Allen Lewis
October 17, 2012

I found the documents linked at the Diocesan Website (which our genteel host provided a link to at the top of his post) most illuminating.

They give a timeline of events for this kerfuffle.

I am sure the Usual Suspects within the Diocese of SC will whine about how badly Bishop Lawrence and the Standing Committee and Diocesan Convention have been behaving of late. Let them. The Diocese gave them a quit claim to their property. They are free to do as they please. What they are not free to do is tell the Diocese what it can, or cannot, do.

Given the ruling of the State of SC Supreme Court regarding its opinon of the Dennis Canon, I don’t see that TEC has much of a legal position with regard to parish property in the diocese. Nor do I see how TEC has much of a legal claim to diocesan assets. I do know that the Diocese of SC is prepared to defend itself.

It is going to be an interesting time in the diocese. I will be praying for them.

Harmless Idiot
October 17, 2012

Schorl is Hitler to Bp. Lowrance’s Bonhoeffer.
Thank God she is only Presiding Bishop instead of President USA, or Bp. Lowrance would be “swinging”.

Jess
October 17, 2012

I don’t see how TEC is entitled to *anything* there, and I don’t see them getting anything but bad publicity out of this. Probably losing a lot of money again since they don’t seem to have a lot of friends in the state courts.

FW Ken
October 17, 2012

On the bright side, more money to lawyers means less money to promote the murder of unborn babies, killing homosexuals by promoting a physically and emotionally toxic way of life, and wrecking third world economies with their bogus ecological claims. TEC is a death cult, too stupid in their arrogance to marshall their resources to promote their real agenda of draining all that’s good and happy from the world.

J. Stuart Little
October 17, 2012

This could be fun if the Dio SC were to file paperwork to stop the convention because the EOUSA no longer has any standing within the area of the diocese.

Michael D
October 17, 2012

I think what many of us are trying to grapple with is: what does TEC gain from a turf war in SC? They won’t win any hearts and minds, nor will they win any weekly offerings, nor will they get to sell the property (not after the quit-claims from last year). They’re going to have to sell a few more suburban parishes to pay for this – parishes that could have helped anchor Schori’s pension fund.

Is it just a warning to the other dioceses not to get rebellious?

Paula Loughlin
October 17, 2012

“Oh no she didn’t.”

The woman is a menace. Prayers for Bishop Lawrence and those under his care.

Daniel Muller
October 18, 2012

“Oh no she didn’t.”

Heh. I heard that out loud just as soon as I read it. I wonder if KJS is familiar with that phrase.

LaVallette
October 18, 2012

The TEC charges agianst Lawrence and his Diocese are the same as what the Chinese Communist Party at its most brutally dictatorial laid against anybody/faction in the Party whom they deemed and enemy of the “progressive orthodoxies” (The Canons: PBUT) and/or the decisions of the Politburo (815) and/or the National Peoples’ Congress (General Convention): SPLITTISM. (i,e. The pursuance of factional interests in opposition to official Communist Party policy).

Christopher Johnson
October 18, 2012

Actually, I think it’s pronounced, “Oh no she dinnit!”

Marie Blocher
October 18, 2012

The Second War of Northern Aggression as begun.

Allen Lewis
October 18, 2012

I found it interesting that Bishop Waldo was trying to be a mediator between +Lawrence and –Schori, even though the papers were signed and sealed.

I notice Madame Schori is claiming she didn’t find out until Oct 10, even though it was done back in the middle of September.

I do not find that to be a very credible statement.

Katherine
October 18, 2012

:-) Allen Lewis: “I do not find that to be a very credible statement.” A masterpiece of understatement.

The young fogey
October 18, 2012

Freedom of religion and property rights. Never mind how you feel about the religion. The Episcopalians are a**holes but that’s their right, like when they kept Good Shepherd, Binghamton, claiming they needed it, and sold it to Muslims.

Branford
October 18, 2012

So +Lawrence was subject to double jeopardy, with two of the three charges listed ones that were dismissed last year? That’s how TEC works?

FW Ken
October 18, 2012

That’s how cults work.

Charles E A Johnson
October 18, 2012

Ve haf no concept of ze ‘double jeopardy’ in our cannon (sic…intended).
– frau under-leutnant commandant Schori

David Mills
October 18, 2012

If the moderator will pardon my doing this, I’ve posted a comment on this story on “First Thoughts”:

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/10/18/south-carolina-out/

Daniel Muller
October 18, 2012

Actually, I think it’s pronounced, “Oh no she dinnit!”

Could be a regional variation. Here it is “Oh-oo no-she-di’n'!”

Allen Lewis
October 18, 2012

:-P Allen Lewis: “I do not find that to be a very credible statement.” A masterpiece of understatement

Why, thank you, Katherine!

I feel really complemented!

:-P

Whitestone
October 18, 2012

Harmless Idiot wrote: “Thank God she is only Presiding Bishop instead of President USA, or Bp. Lowrance would be “swinging”.”

Don’t forget the President USA is an avid homosexual activity promoter if not participant.

Whitestone
October 18, 2012

FW Ken said it all: “…promote the murder of unborn babies, killing homosexuals by promoting a physically and emotionally toxic way of life, and wrecking third world economies with their bogus ecological claims. TEC is a death cult, too stupid in their arrogance to marshall their resources to promote their real agenda of draining all that’s good and happy from the world.”

TEC are Baal worshippers, plain and simple.

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