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Remember the barely-disguised scorn and contempt in that letter San Francisco California Episcopal Bishop Marc Andrus wrote the other day on the occasion of the installation of Salvatore Cordileone, San Francisco’s new Roman Catholic archbishop?

On the Feast of Saint Francis, patron saint of our city by the bay, Salvatore Cordileone will be installed as the Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco. The announcement of his appointment by Pope Benedict has come with mixed reactions and feelings from San Franciscans of all or no faith tradition.  Bishop Cordileone was an active supporter of Proposition 8, which I and the other Episcopal bishops throughout California opposed.

Archbishop-designate Cordileone’s predecessor and I have worked closely and fruitfully on reducing extreme poverty globally through the Millennium Development Goals. At the same time as we did this important work together, we took very different public positions on Proposition 8. We can and must both work together for the world’s good, and it is equally important, as I say in most of my blessings at the conclusion of the Eucharist, that “we make no peace with oppression.”  The recognition of the dignity and rights, within civil society and the Church of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgendered people, and of women are as core to our proclamation of the Gospel as our solidarity with the poor, with victims of violence and political oppression, and with the Earth.

In working together with the Archdiocese of San Francisco, however, I will not change my course with regard to the full inclusion of all people in the full life of the church. I hope that public disagreements can be handled respectfully and that criticisms of public statements may be met with mutual respect. Some Catholics may find themselves less at home with Salvatore Cordileone’s installation and they may come to The Episcopal Church. We should welcome them as our sisters and brothers.

Even as we welcome those who may join us and look for ways to work with our Roman Catholic siblings in the faith, we will not be silenced in our proclamation of God’s inclusion. Our ecumenical partnership should be founded in our following Christ and shared service. It is our Christian duty to take stands in public or from our pulpits when others — especially those of our own faith — are in error and trying to suppress the rights of others who, too, have been created in God’s image.

Come to find out that sometimes that sort of thing can cost you.  Apparently, the Archdiocese has decided that it knows perfectly well what Andrus really thinks and that it’s through playing pretend.

The Rt. Rev. Marc Andrus, Episcopal Bishop of California and an invited guest for the installation of Archbishop-designate Salvatore Cordileone, was not allowed to be seated.  He was escorted to a basement room at St. Mary’s Roman Catholic Cathedral and detained by an usher until the time the service began, whereupon Bishop Andrus left the cathedral. More information will be forthcoming as it is available.

They’re going bat crap about it at Naughton’s.  Thanks to Fuinseoig for the tip.

UPDATE: According to the Associated Press, this was all a misunderstanding.  And if anything, Marc Andrus is now not only a rude, disrespectful, passive-aggresive lout, he is also a whiny, petulant little baby.

Meanwhile, interfaith tensions over the marriage issue threatened to mar Cordileone’s day. The Rev. Marc Andrus, the Episcopal bishop for Northern California and a strong same-sex marriage supporter, reported that he was snubbed when he showed up for the cathedral service, which came three days after Andrus had written an open letter offering a spiritual home to any Catholics who felt disowned by the archbishop’s views.

Andrus said he was taken to a basement room with other invited guests, then left waiting as ushers showed everyone but him to their seats in the sanctuary, Joseph Mathews, an Episcopal spokesman said. He was still waiting when the mass had started, so he left, Mathews said.

San Francisco Archdiocese spokesman George Wesolek chalked it up to a misunderstanding. Andrus had arrived late and missed the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front. Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left.

“We had no intention of excluding him at all,” Wesolek said. “If he felt like because of the wait that was insulting to him, we certainly will apologize.”

Earth to butthurt Episcopal pointy-hat: what did you expect to happen? A do-over?  “Folks, the Episcopal bishop only just arrived so we’re going to start the liturgy again.  Clergy, please exit by the side doors and reassemble as before.  The rest of you play Angry Birds on your smart phones or something until we’re ready to go.”

Know something, Marc?  If the Epicenter of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States Archdiocese of St. Louis ever does me the honor of inviting me to a special liturgy, I’m going to be absolutely certain to get there on time.  Know how I do that?

Any time I want to be sure that I get somewhere on time, I have this 100% foolproof little trick that I use that always works.  Please don’t spread this around but whenever I need to get to a particular place at a particular time, I use a method that I like to call

GETTING THERE EARLY!!

Idiot.  You know what you should have done, Marc?  Since you got there late, you should have realized that they’d start without you, forgotten about the idea of vesting and processing in, sat in the congregation, introduced yourself to Archbishop Cordileone on the way out, explained what happened and then the two of you could have had a good laugh.  But when you have a chance to throw a leftist hissy-fit, screw Christian humility.

The installation of a new Catholic archbishop doesn’t happen every day, Andrus, you douche.  Catholics quite rightly consider these to be very special events, something that you make time for.  It’s not just another run-of-the-mill Catholic event that you squeeze into your busy schedule and to treat it that way seems pretty damned insulting.

35 Comments to PAYBACK

dwstroudmd+
October 4, 2012

Good order!

No doubt they were not willing to have pretense given any appearance of sanction.

FW Ken
October 4, 2012

There is more to this story than we know. Bp. Iker showed up vested at our Catholic bishop’s ordination in 2005 and no one thought anything. To my knowledge, he didn’t present himself for Communion, but he was vested. So I’m thinking that Bp. Andrus did or said something along the way. It would be fairly odd to focus on one man in an event this size.

FW Ken
October 4, 2012

And fyi, from what I could find, a grand total of 25 gay protesters showed up, about the same number as pro-Cordileone demonstrators.

Another gay fizzle (think Chick-fil-a).

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
October 4, 2012

Not sure what the deal is…Naughton’s crowd has a hissy over just about everthing.

Jim the Puritan
October 4, 2012

I can already see I like this new Catholic archbishop. Time to call a heretic a heretic, especially someone who is telling people to leave your church.

Jack
October 4, 2012

Wait a minute. This Andrus fella said that someone was “in error?” What happened to living into the difference?”

Deacon Michael D. Harmon
October 4, 2012

I hope the air conditioning was pumped to the max in the catacombs.

After all, like revenge, justice is a dish best served cold.

dwstroudmd+
October 4, 2012

As always, there is more to the story: http://news.yahoo.com/sf-archbishop-jokes-recent-dui-arrest-013629312.html

Seems Marky was late and the processional went on without him. So the ushers were waiting to take him in at an appropriate time.

Think this makes any difference to the Naughton hissy fit whiners? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! They need to whine.

Bill2
October 4, 2012

Andrus can’t even be bothered to show up on time? Was he busy filing more divorce papers?

What a frigging baby. Maybe he was borrowing VGR’s bullet-proof vest for added drama too.

William Tighe
October 4, 2012

Now they are saying it was all a mistake:

“Interfaith tensions over the marriage issue threatened to mar the Cordileone’s day. The Rev. Marc Andrus, the Episcopal bishop for Northern California and a strong same-sex marriage supporter, reported that he was snubbed when he showed up for the cathedral service, which came three days after Andrus had written an open letter offering a spiritual home to any Catholics who felt disowned by the archbishop’s views.

Andrus said he was taken to a basement room with other invited guests, then left waiting as ushers showed everyone but him to their seats in the sanctuary, Joseph Mathews, an Episcopal spokesman said. He was still waiting when the mass had started, so he left, Mathews said.

San Francisco Archdiocese spokesman George Wesolek chalked it up to a misunderstanding. Andrus had arrived late and missed the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front. Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left. ‘We had no intention of excluding him at all,’ Wesolek said. ‘If he felt like because of the wait that was insulting to him, we certainly will apologize.’”

How sad; instead of apologizing for it, they should give thanks to god for the “happy Providence” of it all.

FW Ken
October 4, 2012

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/SF-archbishop-jokes-about-recent-DUI-arrest-3918064.php

I know this was linked above, but go look what the”joke” was. Whoever wow the headline is a dirtbag. And the ad above the article when I clinked on was for legal assistance when caught soliciting prostitution.

bob
October 4, 2012

BRILLIANT. Rome, you hit it outta the park. Makes me want more ecumenical talks between the Orthodox and them. They have the guts to deal with PECUSA drama queens in the way they should be. SF *BELONGS* to them now. The PECUSA mice have found out there’s a cat.

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Daniel Muller
October 5, 2012

I have to admit that I would be all right with not seating Andrus at all in light of the fact that he did not seem to want to be there in the first place. But I think that this is a big nothing as there are very specific times for seating latecomers during the Mass, and any other time would be distracting if not insulting. Especially when the seat in question was so prominent.

What would have been his reaction had they seated him first of the latecomers … in the back pews where they were trying to cram everyone else? Or had he been expecting an Epicopalian-sized crowd?

Former Episcopalian
October 5, 2012

That is some vintage whine.

Fuinseoig
October 5, 2012

I don’t think it was a deliberate snub; if anyone was watching the livestream, they would have been in no doubt that Catholicism is not an organised religion :-)

I think the confusion was probably because (1)as I said, watching the ceremony made me itch for them to appoint a good Master of Ceremonies who will drill them like a Sergeant Major (2) there were a lot of threats beforehand about various groups going to show up to disrupt the ceremony, which is why it was invitation only, need a ticket, everybody has to account for themselves (3) I don’t think anyone high up in the cathedral ranks marked out Bishop Andrus for ‘special treatment’, I do think it was ushers on the ground who were a bit confused about what to do with him (do we seat him with the rest of the clergy? is he allowed on the altar like the Eparchs? What row of the pews is he supposed to be in?) and frankly, I think they just forgot about him.

It wasn’t very professional or polished, I grant, but see above about “organised religion”. I don’t think the Archbishop knew about it, I don’t think it was meant as a planned insult, and I wish the Bish had stuck around for the Mass and the reception afterwards.

Oh, well! Like the saying goes, “It’s not a wedding without a fight”.

;-)

LaVallette
October 5, 2012

This is an example of how God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps Andrus expected that he would be repaid for the discourtesy of his late arrival and” miss(ing) the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front” by being allowed to process up the aisle on his own perhaps immediately preceding the Cordileone himself and thus seizing precedence over every other Catholic Prelate present.

Not unusual Anglican arrogance: after all they see themselves as more catholic than the Catholics.

LaVallette
October 5, 2012

@ Fuinseoig

“I don’t think it was a deliberate snub; if anyone was watching the livestream, they would have been in no doubt that Catholicism is not an organised religion”.

In my view, despite every good intention and effort on the part of the Master of ceremonies, if nothing goes “wrong” it is not a Catholic Ceremony. It is a reflection of the “humanity” of the Church.

I think it gives cause for many a chortle perhaps even the odd belly laugh in heaven.

Katherine
October 5, 2012

So it turns out to be much ado about nothing. Andrus doesn’t come out looking good here. First, he writes a condescending and insulting note, and then he turns up to the event late and gets forgotten, and then maintains he’s the one who has been insulted. First point: To the Catholic Archdiocese and its new bishop, he’s NOT IMPORTANT. Second: He does his reputation no good by petulant behavior.

Fuinseoig
October 5, 2012

For those who wish to see the Mass, the link to the recorded livestream from yesterday is here.

Here is a link to the Archbishop’s full homily, if you want to hear for yourself what he had to say (including referring to his arrest for DUI, about three-four minutes in).

Fuinseoig
October 5, 2012

LaVallette, when I was watching, I was saying to myself “This is so Catholic.”

Slick presentation would be too plastic and not right.

:-)

Anne B.
October 5, 2012

I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet: the new Archbishop’s name is “Savior Lionheart.” Is that a terrific name, or what?

As for the late-arriving and obnoxious other guy, I have nothing to add to the previous comments, except to wonder why he’d even want to come in the first place.

Scott W.
October 5, 2012

And fyi, from what I could find, a grand total of 25 gay protesters showed up

It’s probably not available, but I would be interested in the breakdown of that group of 25 between homosexual and straight because most of the fuel for this nonsense comes not from homosexuals, but ideologically-addled heterosexuals.

midwestnorwegian
October 5, 2012

I doubt the Archbishop wore Keds decorated with puff paint and glitter. Andrus would have been bored to tears.

Disgusted in DC
October 5, 2012

According to a follow-up account, Bishop Andrus was not late, so the story is a bit stranger. My guess (and it is a guess) is that the Greek Orthodox bishops were to be in a different part of the procession and seating than Bishop Andrus (Orthodox bishops are recognized as bishops, but not Episcopal bishops). Then, the powers that be forgot that Bishop Andrus was sitting around waiting to join in the procession with everyone else! That’s my theory. Of course, I can’t totally exclude a kind of indefensible (and cowardly) passive-aggressive response on the part of the Archdiocese for Bishop Andrus’ rude Op-Ed piece. Alas, Catholic authorities are sometimes experts at this sort of thing. But, I still think it is more likely that there was some kind of screw-up than a passive-aggresive snub.

http://bishopmarc.typepad.com/blog/2012/10/a-post-to-clarify-my-experience-at-the-installation-of-archbishop-cordileone-at-st-marys-cathedral-san-francisco-i-was-dr.html

Geosez
October 5, 2012

Well, thanks for the updates on my favorite ex-suffragan. I won’t bore you with my personal experience with Bp. Marc but I can tell you that “arrogant” is his middle name. (Just an aside to those who keep referring to multiple divorces, are you sure you’re not confusing him with the other Ca. bishop?)

bob
October 5, 2012

Midwestnorwegian, you may be on to something important; I haven’t seen any comment on just WHAT Andrus was wearing. Sometimes PECUSA clerics show up to a eucharist in clown makeup, red nose, etc. The officials may have thought he was entertainment for afterwards.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dTltj82wx1I/TVaqwTTmxdI/AAAAAAAAC1Y/zABXsjN_7aA/s1600/lit+abuse01.bmp

Lest you think I’m making this up.
If the snub wasn’t deliberate whoever was responsible should be found and immediately promoted.
This never happened to Jim Pike, so it’s about 45 years too late.

Romulus
October 5, 2012

In my culture, people who issue public insults to their neighbors don’t subsequently show up at their front doors wanting to party with them. He’s a rather pitiful figure, isn’t he?

bob
October 5, 2012

Update, the Offended One writes again.

http://bishopmarc.typepad.com/blog/2012/10/a-post-to-clarify-my-experience-at-the-installation-of-archbishop-cordileone-at-st-marys-cathedral-san-francisco-i-was-dr.html

Comments on *his* blog are closed on this!
Interesting difference between this blog and theirs. One can face it, the other can’t.

Fuinseoig
October 5, 2012

“An archdiocesan employee attempted to escort me upstairs with the Greek Orthodox group, but was stopped from doing so by the employee to whom I had first identified myself.”

Okay, I can understand why this was done, because the Orthodox were seated on the altar (as you may see from the video) and I don’t think Bishop Andrus was intended to be seated there.

I don’t know why he was kept waiting, if it all went as he says it did: he should have gone in with the other guests. Some crossed wires somewhere!

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Daniel Muller
October 5, 2012

I don’t know why he was kept waiting, if it all went as he says it did: he should have gone in with the other guests.

No, I disagree, unless he really was on time by everyone’s watch and the others there in the basement were in his category (=same seating area), but it is unclear to me that anyone else was a Protestant leader. Just for example, someone may have figured that the Orthodox could still make the sanctuary procession as they would be towards the end, while by the time they figured out that “Bishop Andrus” was not the Catholic bishop list, the Protestants were already close to being seating very prominently in what was supposed to be the “choir.”

Anyhow, it is pretty clear that he was, as they say in the South, “looking to take offense.” Bless his heart!

Just Passing Through
October 5, 2012

Some of this reminds me of when my Bishop was installed not so long ago. The Catholic bishops were gathered together in one area for the procession, while representatives of other Christian denominations were gathered in another area. One gentleman entered the gathering area and gave his name as “Bishop _____”; he was wearing the standard clerical wear (collar, pectoral cross, etc.), so the assistant took him to where the Catholic bishops were vesting. He introduced himself to the bishops there, but no one could recall having met him before.

Finally, he told the assistant MC that he may have been in the wrong room; he was the Methodist bishop for the region and hadn’t made that clear to the assistant. The assistant MC managed to get him to the correct gathering space and he was able to process in with the other representatives.

But the look on his face when he saw all the miters and chasubles was priceless…

Katherine
October 5, 2012

I love this line from Andrus’s follow-up post:

My intention for attending the installation was to honor our ecumenical and interfaith relations in the Bay Area.

If that was his intention, he’d have been better not to have written the original letter. IF he was deliberately excluded, I don’t blame the Catholics a bit. If it was a mistake, he could have followed up with them to find out what the problem was, couldn’t he? — rather than getting his pique out in public as he has.

Matthew +
October 5, 2012

FW Ken, the difference is that unlike +Andrus, +Iker is a Christian.

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