Unsurprisingly, in addition to being a pro-abort Knox is an anti-Catholic bigot. Equally unsurprisingly, Obama appointed him to his Advisory Council on Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships back in 2009.

http://amcatholic.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/obama-appoints-anti-catholic-bigot-to-advisory-council/

A miscarriage is not an abortion. Let’s try and come up with an analogy that even an Episcopalian clergyman can understand, shall we?

(1) I am walking down the street when I slip on a discarded banana peel and fall, breaking my leg. This is an accident and I don’t get to blame anyone (except the person who littered). If I tried calling the police to track down and arrest the banana-eating fiend who caused my broken leg, I’ll give you three guesses as to how that would go.

(2) I am walking down the street when, say, a man answering to the name of “Harry” and wearing what looks like a clerical collar leaps out of a dark alleyway and swings a baseball bat at my leg, breaking it. This time, the police are very happy to take my call.

Now, in both instances, I end up with a broken leg. But in the first instance, it was not intentional, it was an accident, it might not have happened at all. In the second incident, it was intentional, it was caused by the deliberate actions of an intervening human. So the first instance would not be considered morally wrong, but the second would – although, given that we’re talking about a modern Episcopalian, I suppose littering (as a sin against Gaia) is one of the sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance, while going around leg-breaking is only an expression of one’s identity as a member of the leg-breaking community and why am I such a bigot against Leg-breaking Americans anyway?

I apologise to any Episcopalian clergy or modern Episcopalians that I may have insulted with the last; I certainly don’t mean to imply that all of you are the intellectual and spiritual equivalent of the Reverend Knox.

After all, there are plenty of modern Catholics who I would not like to be judged as the exemplar of the species when it comes to my church, and I mean both on the right and the left side of the aisle (or I should say, the Gospel and Epistle sides). God knows, the sexual abuse scandal hasn’t gone away, with more revelations from thirty years ago leaking out like some toxic ooze from hastily-buried, rusting drums of nuclear waste.

He didn’t leave his brain at the door. He never had one to begin with.

The trouble with your analogies, Chris, is that Knox might agree with your third case. “Adultery” is such an outdated and judgmental term, don’t you think? After all, so many people no longer disapprove.

The harsh and condemning statements about withholding food and water from annoying children are troubling. They suggest that starving the helpless is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that many die of famine despite their parents’ best efforts to find them food. They deny that God is present in these times.

Chris, you and I are usually on the same page with regard to these things, but you’re just plain wrong here. Knox isn’t an idiot, and he isn’ stupid. He’s evil. His deity is Moloch. He preaches heresy and sin to an audience that doesn’t want to hear the word of God, but validation of their wickedness. He worships death. In other words, he’s a perfect fit for TEc and, especially, Integrity.

From the article:
Religions hold that all human life is sacred — and include the life of a woman as well as that of a potential child. This belief inspires many religious communities to work for a world in which women are healthy and every child is wanted, loved and cared for.

The Episcopal Church is obviously not part of that effort as she is at the forefront of aborting children during pregnancy. The philosophy seems to say that a fetus is a parasite within the woman’s body that must be removed to ensure her well being.

Religions value the responsible and loving use of the gifts of sexuality and reproduction.

Just how responsible a use of one’s “sexuality” is it to become pregnant out of wedlock? Apparently for Knox, at least, a woman’s reproductive rights trump any moral necessity to provide a stable and loving environment for a child.

Religious institutions and people of faith have an obligation to contribute — as other organizations do — to ethically grounded policy on sexuality and reproduction.

The Episcopal Church has apparently abandoned that obligation as her philosophy seems to be “anything goes.” Not much ethical grounding there!

Free will isn’t a matter of politics or ideology and it’s not to be exercised only when it’s convenient.

“Free will” is a religious and philosophical concept. As such, this statement is merely a tautology. However, the episcopal Church has forgotten the key Christian concept of Free Will leading to Original Sin. This is morally irresponsible on the part of the leadership of the Episcopal Church. But as our genteel host has pointed out, who in their right mind consults an Episcopalian for moral guidance?

This was one of the sloppiest-reasoned articles I have ever read. But I note that Mr. Knox is a “leader” in Integrity. That group is not known for its logical acumen when making arguments.

Fuinseoig -

I am glad you recognize that not all Episcopalians are as morally corrupt as Mr. Knox. But I have to ask, what person of moral integrity supports an organization that advocates along the lines of Mr. Knox? Isn’t it time for Episcopalians with moral scruples to reassess their positions?

The harsh and condemning judgments about robbing people at gunpoint are troubling. They suggest that stealing is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that people blow their life savings gambling and investing in ponzi schemes every day. They deny that God is present in these times.

Yes, I know. Who am I to questions someone’s alternative property-rights orientation?

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Fuinseoig: “I mean both on the right and the left side of the aisle (or I should say, the Gospel and Epistle sides).” You aren’t using the “Catholic” terms for that – we would say (at least in the US) the Joseph and Mary sides, given where the statues are in the huge majority of churches.

Ah, Therese Z, I’m suffering from being one of the agéd relics who still remember back when there were separate Gospel and Epistle sides, instead of one ambo from which all the readings were done (and in Irish country churches of the time, all the women and children sat on the Gospel side and all or most of the men on the Epistle – the ones who weren’t standing in the porch, that is).

Also, in our parish church, it’s the Sacred Heart and Immaculate Conception statue sides (for the past twenty years, anyways, although there is the mosaic of St. Joseph on the Sacred Heart side).

I have to agree with Katherine, Christopher; your comments about so-called “adultery” are very hurtful and insensitive to the polyamorous Americans (and other nationalities) who could very well be the family next to yours in the pews every Sunday!

Remember, sex with those not one’s spouse(s) is not about getting your end away, it’s about “committed, loving, honest relationships” that are “creative, respectful, loving, inclusive alternatives to society’s dominant (exclusive / monogamous) relationship paradigm”. Calling it by an outmoded Biblical label is an unwarranted attack of bigotry, and besides, back when they were writing Exodus, they didn’t have the understanding of sexuality and relationships that we moderns do.

we would say (at least in the US) the Joseph and Mary sides, given where the statues are in the huge majority of churches.

Interesting. I would have to say that I have never heard this one before. Then again, I grew up in a parish that had a relatively bare church. The most that we had was an “ambo side.”

Stupid is as stupid does.

Something tells me that if Harry Knox reads your fisk, it will go right over his head. Won’t mean a thing to him.

For some people there is no difference between writing an essay and creating a Grade 7 paper collage from magazine clippings. You select a theme, collect words and phrases that seem to be related to that theme and then paste them together. ‘Really good writers’ try to assemble the phrases in an artistically pleasing manner. ‘Logical coherence’ is a mysterious and possible patriarchal concept.

“They suggest that abortion is morally wrong” No, you are suggesting that it is not morally wrong and we are SAYING that it is morally wrong.

Christopher Johnson – so well said, I thought **LIKE** – no further comment needed from me/us.

Agree with LL2, the most apppropriate comment is, uh “Yes”.

It’s like a murderer telling the policeman who tried to stop him, “What is wrong with you??? Do you realize how many people die of natural causes and accidents every day???”

I was little, but I can remember the priest changing the Gospel over to the other side on the altar (or rather, the altar boy doing it).

I thought it as like the Stations of the Cross, a Catholic “standard”: Joseph on the right as you face the altar and Mary on the left. Nicer flowers and more candles lit on the Mary side, inevitably, poor Joseph gets a potted ivy. And we just had his feast day, too!

Tell me you don’t have Stations of the Cross……

Fuinseoig, Therese Z, in my itty bitty traditional Anglican church we have the lessons read from the lectern on the Epistle side, change the service book to the Gospel side for the reading of the Gospel, and hear the sermon preached from the pulpit on the Gospel side. And for bonus points the priest celebrates facing the altar, which is not out in the middle of the space.

Something tells me that if Harry Knox reads your fisk, it will go right over his head. Won’t mean a thing to him.

Yep. And you thought Orwell was writing fiction when he talked about Crimestop

“Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”

But of course we have the Stations of the Cross, Therese! What do you think we are, some kind of savages?

Photo of the interior of my parish church from 2004 – you can’t see the stations on the walls or the statues, but this gives you an idea. Built in 1820 on the site of an original 13th century Augustinian abbey suppressed during the 16th century, 19th century church was built onto the remains of the 13th century chancel and the 15th century tower (as seen here) and it was renovated in the 1970s (as you can tell from the interior photo above, which – while it wasn’t the absolute worst of post-Vatican II ‘renovations’ – did strip out altar rails, wall altar, etc. etc. etc.)

Uh…

Miscarriages are not intentional murders.

“Unwanted pregnancies” are easily preventable and chastity works 100% of the time.

God was present when He handed down the Ten Commandments to Moses, and among them was “Thou shalt not kill.”

Funny how abortionists always disguise what is going on. “Reproductive choice?” Sounds soooo much nicer than “chopping up unborn babies at term after sticking a pair of scissors in their skull and sucking their brain out.” But, abortionists never want to honestly describe what occurs when a “choice” is made.

No nation can kill over 40 million children without consequences. They are on the way and will be terrible.

This “minister” is a repugnant little worm!

Fuinseoig, a miscarriage is, technically, a spontaneous abortion. But knowing that, plus having $5.00, would buy some sort of coffee at $tarbuck$.

Don, some of the consequences are already here. $ocial $ecurity relies on there being a certain ratio of contributing workers to withdrawing retirees. Unfortunately, 40,000,000 or so of the contributors have been dismembered.

Peyton

Peyton

I am a retired Boomer on Social Security and a small pension from the Illinois University and College Teachers fund.

I am enjoying my retirement, but I think that eventually I will be declared to be a “useless eater” by the Obama Death Panels. Becoming Solyent Green seems to be my destiny.

Kill them before birth/kill them in old age. Both are pillars of the Culture of Death.

“Religions hold that all human life is sacred — and include the life of a woman as well as that of a potential child.” Wrong both on scientific and moral grounds. Every child from the moment of conception IS a child not a potential child and he/she is a living human being at a particular stage in life’s continuum.

Engaging in sexual activity despite what the modern hedonsitic cultre proclaims, is not a sine qua non of human existence like eating, drinking or breathing. It is also a fact that sex between a male and a female is inherently linked with and designeds by nature for procreation. Regardless of what precautions are taken to avoid procreation, every method known has has failure rate. Therefore there is a CHOICE about engaging in sex in the first place, similar to choosing to watch football or television or to go for a holiday. Once the choice to have sex is made, then knowing its natural linkage with procreation as well as the failure rate of every known contraceptive method, than one must accept that the undertaking becomes a gamble like Russian Roulette. Thus if you lose the gamble you cannot blame anyone else for Nature having followed its inevitable course, least of all the innocent and helpless human that has come into being as a consequence of the decisions made by the parties concerened. It is too late then to plead an unwanted pregnancy. If one does not want to get pregnant there is only one guaranteed method; choose not to have sex, regardless of the myth of contraception guarantees. You will not die if you abstain.

“Potential child” is one of those euphamisms cooked up by pro-abortionists that show that they aren’t even trying anymore. It’s as if they think when a woman goes into labor, no one really has an idea of what is coming out. Could be a Bluegill. Could be a Macaque. Could be a Black Mamba. Could be a Black Mamba evolved to look like a human, so we’d better stay open to post-birth abortion as well.

P.S: So a homosexual takes the lead on issues demeaning procreation. And I was under the impression that reproductive choice was strictly a woman’s issue and control over her own body. But then gays always hated “breeders”: it is in their mind the biggest insult they can hurl at heterosexual couples.

Reminds me of the blind men who takes charge of the local gun club.

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Don–You’re also part of the biggest voting block in America (the Boomers). I’d say it’s a coin toss between the government turning you into Soylent Green and sending me to the salt mines to help pay for an SS fund that will provide you caviar and tropical cruises.

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