And don’t get me started on how nobody listens to us on idolatry, covetousness, Sabbath observance and other stuff like that.

I predicted your first paragraph. You can’t make up your own theology by nose count. But I forgot about this little bit of hypocrisy here. Liberals will castigate American Christendom about rampant consumerism. But why would they do this? Why not just go with the flow of the majority who are covetous? This is what is so depressing about dealing with liberals. It’s like they are a machine that is programmed to support viewpoint A. And they will tell different people different, sometimes contradictory things in order to convince them of A. But they don’t care if A is true. They can’t even consistently defend it. They just mindlessly iterate through boilerplate arguments for it, hoping one will stick. Why should anyone argue with an unreflective machine? It would be more productive typing M-x doctor on your emacs.

Last I looked 43% was still a minority, idiot.

It wouldn’t matter if it were a majority. Remember what God did to Israel when He found there were only 7,000 left who hadn’t bowed the knee to Baal. The 7,000 were preserved to rebuild. The others, no so much.

BTW, I’m not Roman Catholic, but being a Mainer, I know Bishop Malone a little bit. He has his flaws, but avoid strong pro-life and pro-marriage stands are not among them.

You know, Smurf Breath, I had a lot of respect for you before I learned about your emacsianism. You heretic.

“Catholics are more supportive of legal recognition of same-sex relationships than members of any other Christian tradition and American overall”

Hold on there a moment, Kyra. If you asked me if I, as a Catholic, agreed to same-sex civil unions I would say “Yes” because as a matter of natural justice I see no reason why people wanting a state certificate about their domestic partnership should be discriminated against in this instance. If you asked me “Do I support same-sex marriage?”, that’s a different kettle of fish. It’d be nice to be asked, because my government didn’t see the necessity to do so when they introduced this: “The Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010 is an Act of the Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) which allows civil partnerships. The act also provides rights for participants in long-term cohabiting relationships who have not entered into a civil partnership or marriage. There is no difference, in the act, in the rights and obligations accorded to opposite sex cohabiting couples or same sex cohabiting couples, however there are significant differences between the rights and obligations accorded to Civil Partners (same-sex) and those accorded to married couples (opposite-sex).”

So some of your 43% might be thinking along the same lines – if it’s legal to have some kind of registry office acknowledgement that Joe and Ted are shacked up together like Bill and Jane are, then good luck to Joe and Ted. However, if Bill and Jane decide to eventually get married, then I’m sorry, but what Joe and Ted has is not the same thing. And if you’re trying to get my church or any Christian church to say that Joe and Ted should not alone have a ceremony of blessing but a rite-that’s-marriage-in-all-but-name (take a look at what the Standing Committee on Liturgy and Music produced, then tell me that’s not something more than a simple blessing), I’m sorry but not just no, but hell, no!

As others have pointed out, 43% is not a majority, the Catholic Church is not a democracy, and the Pope is not you, me or him but that guy with the German accent living in Rome.

“I’ve only got 2,000 years of Church teaching”

“She saw the commencement of all the governments and of all the ecclesiastical establishments that now exist in the world; and we feel no assurance that she is not destined to see the end of them all. She was great and respected before the Saxon had set foot on Britain, before the Frank had passed the Rhine, when Grecian eloquence still flourished at Antioch, when idols were still worshipped in the temple of Mecca. And she may still exist in undiminished vigour when some traveller from New Zealand shall, in the midst of a vast solitude, take his stand on a broken arch of London Bridge to sketch the ruins of St. Paul’s.”

And 57% of Catholics oppose gay marriage.

Again, the tyranny of the minority fueled by LGBTWXYZ hacks.

Glad to see you have not retired that headline as threatened.

The last time I was encouraged to “get on board” was global warming or whatever the advocates care to call it now to make it a moving target.

“But you’re quite correct, Kyra, the Church needs to start taking orders from a culture that despises it.”

Dumba$$ LibProts have done exactly that.

To amplify Donald McClarey, the only institution that I know of that is older than the Catholic Church is the Chrysanthemum Throne of Japan, and that only if you include legendary Emperors.

Kyra: If we are talking stats there far less than 5% of the population that qualify for s/s marriage and less than who actually want it.

Besides calling a square a circle, even if you mandate it legally, does not make it so.

Can we now expect Kyra to put the same proposition to the Obummer and his cohorts about the significant percentage of the population who are aginst abortion, particularly the majority that opposes late term abortion? Or os her arrogant impertinence reserved for Catholic Bishops.

PS Refer Robert Bolt’s “Man for All Seasons”.

The Duke of Norfolk: “Oh confound all this. I’m not a scholar, I don’t know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can’t you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!”

Sir Thomas More: “And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?”

I gave up the episcopal church for Lent, and also converted from bourbon to scotch. My spiritual life has improved, but I can’t tell why for sure. It’s a conundrum. And so is this polling business. Do people tell pollsters things they don’t really mean? Yes, but it works from both sides, doesn’t it? Woah, now I’m really confused. Then again, no I’m not. Polls are not Truth. And timeless principles are not up for a vote. I must have stole that profound thought from someone, since I’m a clown.

As you say Deacon Mike, Bishop Malone does have flaws, as do we all. He is my Bishop. He has strongly responded with his brother Bishops against Obama’s attack on the church. He does have a reputation as a moderate but has been solid on the matters you mentioned and attacks on the church.

First Century interview:

Kyra Phillipus: “Polls show that 43% of pagans and followers of Moloch have no problem with homo “marriage” and murdering infants. Don’t you think your positions are a bit extreme?”

Jesus Christ: “I Am the Way, the Truth and the Light. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

Kyra Phillipus: “Whatever. But isn’t it about time you got with what’s happening now?”

Jesus Christ: “Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My words will remain.”

Kyra Phillipus: “Okay. Next up – Ms. “Butcher “Em Now” Ragsdale gives us tips on five easy ways to kill babies with common kitchen appliances. Stay tuned.”