Revenge, it is said, is a dish best served cold. This one was straight out of the freezer. You da man, Rush.

MEGADITTOS!

I’m sorry, I can’t make a coherent comment on this, as I am too busy being engaged in juvenile giggling about the “most recognized mattress retailer in the region”.

I can’t help but picture one of those marketing survey types with a clipboard that stops people in the street and asks them questions, showing a range of furniture store logos to people and getting the answer “Aw, yeah, that’s Sleep Train. Recognise them anywhere, so I would.” “Excellent! And why is that, Mr. Smith?” “Well, says it right there, dunnit: Sleep Train”. “Ah, yes, thank you for your time.”

Well good for Rush.

I had hoped for this. Every sponsor that tries to come back should be politely but firmly refused. He was wrong to use that language, and it didn’t convey the right point anyway, but he apologized and the libnuts were too eat up with hate to accept it.
Actions have consequences.

It will be interesting to see whether Carbonite eventually comes back. They are major advertisers on several conservative talk shows, and even more major contributors to liberal causes.

Train jumped the tracks and could not get back on.

What’s the over/under that the next meme will be “Rush is destroying businesses!” if one of these companies goes under?

I’m sick of the entire thing, really. What Limbaugh said was dumb — especially since there are volumes on Sandra Fluke worthy of intelligent criticism. But it’s all just one big distraction from the in-the-toilet economy.

You never know with Rush. It may have been a mistake, or it may have been a deliberate excursion, although not too deep, into offensive language in order to set up the contrast between what conservatives say about their opponents and what liberals say. Note that even Pres. Obama was asked at his press conference if he would criticize what Bill Maher, a million-dollar contributor to his super PAC, said about Sarah Palin (unprintable). Perhaps this is Rush’s tribute to Andrew Breitbart. Show the world what hypocrites the leftist media are.

Actually, I think all sides here were in the right.
Rush has a right to say what he did, the sponsor has the right to pull their money if they feel the sponsee reflects negatively on them, and of course Rush has the right to decide who his sponsors are.

Everybody wins, it’s the way it’s supposed to work.

Pilgrim, you are correct about the sponsor’s right to pull its advertising, and Rush’s right to decline to renew their relationship. As to Rush’s original comments, “slut” is a bit fuzzy, but “prostitute” is a clear term. If Ms. Fluke was not, or a court might find that she was not, a “public figure,” then Rush might have been open to a slander suit (assuming as I do that she does not in fact sell her services). In that case, his written apology over the weekend and his spoken apology on-air, in the same venue in which he made the comment, were wise moves. She, of course, has a right to choose her law school in order to protest its policies, which she did (she says so), and a right to try to force her law school to violate its faith commitment, but not a right to be respected for doing these things.

YAY! They got what they deserved, IMHO.

You are defending Rush? Have you no moral compass?

Rush apologized for remarks which were inappropriate. It wasn’t a “sorry anyone was offended” non-apology, either. It was a clear and unequivocal apology. Do you accept apologies, John? Note that when Rush stepped over the line he apologized. He is an entertainer. The many, many left-wing entertainers who have made multiple offensive comments about conservative women (and men) for years do not apologize. Left-wing “news” people have done the same. Advertisers are not leaving NBC for the many offensive remarks made by their “news” and commentary presenters. Advertisers have not punished CNN (Anderson Cooper) and several other news organizations for the repeated use of the offensive term “teabagger.” I think it is the left which has no moral compass.

Now you try the false equivalency trick. It won’t wash. Rush has a long history of foul and nasty comments. His apologies are always mealy mouthed.
That you chose to defend him by saying others are bad as he is, is no defense.
The enemy of my enemy is not a moral position to be proud of.

“False equivalence?” Wouldn’t go there if I were you, John. When the leader of the free world refuses to return a political donation from a “comedian” who has said far worse things about conservative women than Rush Limbaugh said about Fluke and has said them far more often, to the complete(and let’s be honest; amused) silence of the media, then the fake outrage at Limbaugh’s comments, for that’s exactly what it is, is far more offensive than anything he said. Because it’s a lie.

Limbaugh at his worst is a saint compared to Bill Maher at his best:

http://themorningspew.com/2012/03/09/bill-mahers-big-donation-to-misogyny/

They’ll reach so many more customers on Air America /sarc

Hey, the supreme court said that the 2nd Amendment said that people had a right to arms, so I want a federal mandate that someone buys me a gun, every couple of months. How are starving students to afford M1A’s that cost over a thousand dollars apiece? And even an entry level Kimber 1911 runs $750 and up. My urge to own as many quality American made firearms could easily run to $3,000 a year. Somebody out there better start buying them for me. And free ammo ought to be in a big dish on the reception desk of all federal offices. Not cheap stuff either, polymer tips, hollow points, that sort of thing. All the gun haters shut up, can I help it if God made this way?

Rush doesn’t often make foul comments. He does often make comments you don’t agree with, John, but that’s not the same as “foul.” For the most part children can listen and not hear bad words. Nor was his apology “mealy-mouthed.” You must not have read it, nor read the transcript of his on-air apology.

Nor did I say that it was okay because the left does it too, and worse. I do think the “slut and prostitute” comment was over the line. He knows it, and apologized. He apologized (a) because he knows it was over the line and (b) because, unlike the audience of leftist entertainers, his audience doesn’t like that kind of thing being said unless it’s true.

John, as usual you show yourself to be a complete hypocrite and idiot.

If the Left has lowered the level of discourse to the point that throwing out insults is acceptable, then on what basis do you condemn Rush?

If on the other hand you agree such discourse is immoral, doesn’t Rush fare better than braying idiots like Olbermann who throw around similar insults and have never apologized?

You invent a term “false equivalency trick”. I don’t know what that means, and I’ll bet you are too stupid to even know what you are talking about.

Please define that if you can. But the problem is that people like you are being hypocritical. You spew out silly vile terms as if you had the mentality of Beavis and Butthead (which I suspect you do), but when Rush uses strong words which are defensible, you soil your pants with rage and cannot offer one single reason why he is wrong, any more than you can justify the rantings of braying idiots like Stewart and Olbermann.

A fair and balanced view, I think:

http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2012/03/subsidizing-promiscuity.html

“Slut”; “prostitute” – pffft. Who cares? Are we to spend hours laboriously poring over dictionaries and slang lexicons to establish the precise category of some upstart drab who’s thrusting her pubes in our face? As Doctor Johnson said, “There is no settling the point of precedency between a louse and a flea.” I’m sorry Rush apologized; predictably, it had absolutely no effect on the ginned-up “controversy”. My rule is never to apologize to liberals because they’re not people you apologize to.

It is a con. They pretend to have the moral high ground when they are rightly accused of something, but conveniently forget about the times when they use inflammatory, slanderous rhetoric. Michelle Malkin has documented how they have done this in the past.
Sadly, John can’t even defend his position. His silence is deafening. John, if you can’t even do that, doesn’t that tell you that perhaps you should overcome your predispositions and rethink your position?

Funny thing with Rush, when the media can’t beat him, he’s a has-been entertainer who will escape media attention for years at a time. When they think they’ve got the goods on him, he is the spokesman of the conservative movement, which hangs on his every word. Well, which is it?

Jacob Morgan

They’ll reach so many more customers on Air America /sarc

I can’t top that. I won’t try. Perhaps John can go there, though, and get an audience of none?

Good for Rush! He has the right to refuse to renew a relationship. I think he was wrong for most of the reasons that people have pointed out.

Interestingly enough, I have encountered the same double-standard amongst some of my FaceBook “friends.” They demand citations of what Maher said, accuse me of drawing an equivillance, etc., etc. The usual brain dead Liberal reaction when confronted with the double-standard. One Kool Aid drinker claimed that Maher’s remarks about Palin were OK because he is a commedian. Gee I never knew calling a woman the C-word was now considered high comedy.

Live and learn.

Bill Maher’s comment about Sarah Palin was mild compared to what Smurf Breath says about me; with boring regularity.

John, the boring regularity of your stupidity warrants it, wouldn’t you say?

Again I see you cannot defend your views. That says a lot, and it needs to be pointed out.

S.B. Unlike your hero Rush, I will not stoop to your level.

John, if you can’t defend your views and just feel inexpressible ire against a view for reasons you cannot clearly articulate, why not just play Space Invaders all day? I think this might be a healthy outlet for the issues you have.

Trust me, maybe you really do agree with conservatives, and the only reason you support Democrats is because you have been raised that way. You can’t seem to give any reasons why you think the way you do. So join us. Come on. You’ve been brainwashed. Happens to the best of us. Register Republican.

So, now we have two trolls, Sinner & John.

Sinner does anglican politics/pro-abortion/anti-Israel.

When his shift is over, John supports pseudo-science climatology/socialism/pro-TEC.

But I will say this for Sinner. At least he is capable of offering a reason for what he thinks. John is practically a POE. He’s a slogan machine. More a caricature of his position than a thoughtful defender of it. To be frank, I’d prefer a thoughtful defender. That would be more interesting than the walking sac of mindless slogans that John seems to be. We’re still all waiting for him to give a defense for the hopelessness that lies within him.

Don’t waste your breath on John. Despite several invitations to do so, he chooses not to provide a logical, fact-based defense of his comment; rather, he piles straw men on top of ad hominems.

And the result, of course, is a steaming heap of …. manure.

So! That soft speaking, gentle rocker Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt. That must make Y’all feel so proud.

I don’t really care about which musicians/actors/directors endorse which candidates. Obama’s got a lot of endorsements from a lot of “entertainment” people who’ve said a lot of outrageous or foul things. He’s really not responsible for everyone who endorses him. Neither are Republicans. I do think Obama ought to call on his supporters to return Bill Maher’s money, given Obama’s stepping into the LImbaugh controversy as he did. He’d have been smarter to stay out of it; instead, he waded in and dragged his daughters in as well.

We haven’t established that Obama is, in reality, “smart”, have we?

And John, Ted Nugent’s endorsement of Mitt is related to this thread, how…exactly?

Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent both loud foul mouthed right wingers who do not know how to apologize.

I’m sorry, John, all I know of Ted Nugent is that he once appeared in an episode of “Miami Vice” (and his acting was so startling that no wonder you’re worried that he’s endorsing Mitt).

John believes in the “If I repeat it enough, it is true” and the “When losing, change the subject.”

I heard Limbaugh’s apology and it was an apology. He didn’t blame anyone else for what he said. He didn’t accuse Fluke of anything. He just said he was wrong for what he said. Sounds like an apology to me.

And no, Maher’s comment was not mild.

If Ms. Fluke has been involved in the ‘DC Slutwalk’ and any of the other Slutwalks in other cities, does that make her a slut?

In further developments, the great defender of female virtue, Gloria Allred is threatening Rush with a violation of a Florida law, which makes it a misdemeanor, with respect to a woman, to “falsely and maliciously impute to her a want of chastity.”

Should be an interesting case, if Ms. Fluke decides to take her up on it. However, she will have to prove she is chaste*, and has never accepted payment of any kind for her sexual favors.

*If there is a legal definition of chaste these days.

In other FL news – our stupid legislature has opened the door to Sharia law. I’m so angry. This is outrageous. Outrageous.

JOHN –

HERE is a very cleaned up version of leftists in action attacking conservative women.

The original Sarah Palin movie, The Undefeated, had to be cut to exclude the leftist vile language used by the left to attack and smear her during the 2008 campaign in order to be shown in theaters.

Leftist entertainers, Maher, Louis CK, the late night hosts are far, far more insulting, low-down and threatening than Rush was. Remember what that creepy band-leader did to Michele Bachmann?

Compare the Tea Party to OWS and you will see the difference between leftists and conservatives.

We’ve heard and experienced the contempt, intolerance and hatred. Some conservatives have actually been spit on by the leftist delegates at the national Episcopal General Convention.

Don’t come here preaching civility or criticizing us.

@Jacob Morgan,

You wrote:

I want a federal mandate that someone buys me a gun, every couple of months. How are starving students to afford M1A’s that cost over a thousand dollars apiece? And even an entry level Kimber 1911 runs $750 and up.

My good man. an M1A is not the answer, and while Kimber makes an excellent 1911, those models are frequently not readily concealable. Think more along the lines of a semi-auto Barrett M82 .50cal (preferably suppressed) and a more concealable SIG SAUER P250® Compact or P226 X-Five™ (the former particularly if you have a requirement for .45ACP (9rds.) rather than .40S&W or .357SIG.

After all, if it is a right, then you should have that which best fulfills the requirements, right?

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer

Bill Mayer used the word twat in an offhand remark about Sarah Palin. Twat, is a mild expletive or a variation of twit. I think of it as combining both meanings- vulgar but not character asassination.
Rush, on the other hand was out to destroy the character of Ms Fluke and he carried on that character attack for several more days. He apologised for using wrong words but does not say what words he should have used.
Fuinseoig. Youtube ted nugent and his rant about President Obama and Hillary Clinton. Look up ‘obscene’ in the dictionary and Ted Nugent’s picture is there.

I don’t use the word, John. I was told that it is another word for something else Maher called Palin, which was “c*nt.” Neither is a mild expletive. These are grossly offensive references to female anatomy.

On Ms. Fluke, she is a political activist who admits to applying to Georgetown Law specifically so she could challenge its health insurance provisions. She wants to use contraceptive pills and she wants somebody else to pay for it, plain and simple. She doesn’t offer any rationale other than that she wants it, and it costs more than she wants to pay. What’s admirable about that?

Yes, in fact, John, look it up in a dictionary. I just did. Maher knew what it meant, since he used the other one as well. Nice guy you’re defending; remember, he hasn’t apologized.

The troll is badly over his Recommended Daily Allotment of goats; please don’t feed him any more.

Luv Ya, John!

Fluke destroyed her own character, and I would trust Rush’s moral compass over Obama’s. At least Rush has a moral compass.

I could not find where maher used the c word. I do not watch Maher so he may have. If he did and it was possible for me apologize for someone else’s words, I would do so. Being offensive solves nothing.

To continue, ANYONE who thinks abortion or infanticide is okay and who favors same sex marriage has such a faulty moral compass that it points to h*ll instead of heaven. That includes trolls.

My rule is never to apologize to liberals because they’re not people

Now there’s a policy I can stand for! Liberals don’t think babies are people so liberals aren’t people. Liberals are not capable of independent decision making, independently caring for their children, independently providing healthcare for their families — relying on the “state” to do all of this for them — while independent thought, self reliance, and gun ownership are the hallmarks of homo sapiens as against collective and communal thought and responsibility, the hallmarks of liberals. Homo sapiens as a species procreate through life-long unions of one man and one woman, while liberals reproduce by conversion to homosexuality, abortion, and public transit.

liberals. not people. explains a hell of a lot

Twat, is a mild expletive or a variation of twit

no it’s not. nor is it a derivative of “tweet” – unfortunately for David Cameron.

Register Republican

Not Libertarian? I am disappointed.

To continue, ANYONE who thinks abortion or infanticide is okay and who favors same sex marriage has such a faulty moral compass that it points to h*ll instead of heaven. That includes trolls.

To continue, ANYONE who thinks abortion is state supported mass murder – genocide – of children or who thinks same sex marriage is a nation destroying abomination – and who does nothing about it except part, comment on blogs, donate money, protest occasionally, and vote Republican is unquestionably certainly damned. That includes you.

except pray. I guess singing and listening to sermons counts too. And going door-to-door to raise money.

Yep, all of those things would have stopped the Nazis, stopped Stalin, stopped Mao, stopped Pol Pot, who knows, they might even stop Osama bin Kenya.

But they’re not going to stop abortion & homosexuality in the USA.

Oh, come on, Sinner. Who’s trying to “stop homosexuality” in the USA? It’s still a free country, unless we re-elect Obama and fail to repeal this health care atrocity, in which case the federal government will indeed have the ability to dictate behavior to all citizens. Who’s to say, at some time in the future, that the worm wouldn’t turn on the left?

Looks like FL had some sense after all and resisted CAIR’s pro-sharia/islam propaganda. I was confused by conflicting reports from a couple of Islam-watch sites.

Regarding the Lewd Language of the Left (LLL), John, allow a Cornell Law professor and Greta, herself a lawyer, to clear things up for you and give quotes of the exact language used against conservative women.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/03/people-who-live-in-anti-conservative-misogynistic-houses-should-not-throw-indignation/

We encounter LLL on the blogs in comments by the sexual rights and other social agenda groups, supporters of political candidates (notably Democrats and Republican candidates, Romney and Paul), by participants on the HoB/D List, and Islam’s apologists.

Twat, is a mild expletive or a variation of twit.

In British slang, it is. In North America, it’s a crude term for female genitals. Please spare us the ingenue act, nobody’s buying it.

liberals. not people. explains a hell of a lot

Explains a hell of a lot about you. In other words, that you’re a dishonest little craphead who deliberately edits out the end of my phrase “My rule is never to apologize to liberals because they’re not people you apologize to” to launch into a triumphant little piece of lying slander and try to smear me with the same slime that attaches to the murdering Left. Apologize yourself and prove me wrong.

The Daily Caller goes into more detail and history of the Lewd Language of the Left in their attacks of conservative women:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/05/the-lefts-respect-for-women-a-look-back/

“In British slang, it is.” Not sure about that, Dr M. This Brit knows what it means, and has never heard of a “mild” interpretation of it. (It isn’t one of those words, like “fanny”, which can embarrass the unwary transatlantic traveller.) It’s just Sinner being disingenuous as usual. (Or a liar, as in his smear of you.)

John:

About Maher and Palin: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-calls-sarah-palin-the-c-word-during-his-stand-up-act/

I think Limbaugh’s characterization of Fluke was strained, personally. I think a much more apt label is that of “contraceptive sponge” put on her by U of Rochester econ professor Steven Landsburg.

And why not cough drops?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7dFyaq-pYc&feature=player_embedded

All this goes to show one must be very very careful when attacking a right-wing blowhard, such as Rush. He is the conservative icon and will be protected even when he has done wrong.
Maybe this time he will pay a price for his hate talk? Fifty sponsers down and counting.

So, “tw*t” was okay on HBO, although it means the same thing as “c*nt,” which he used in his stand-up routine, according to John. And it’s okay with John if a stand-up comedian who calls a Governor and Vice Presidential candidate demeaning and obscene names is a major donor to President Obama’s re-election campaign. But using an inappropriate analogy (for which he has apologized) for a political activist student who wants to have sex and use the Pill but wants someone else to pay for it is beyond the pale.

So Katherine, you condone what Rush said about Ms Fluke because she may be activist of some kind and may or may not have sex? Had you ever heard of her before Rush attacked her?
Can you call Sarah palin a Governor, when she quit half way through her term of office?
Look, I do not condone bad behavior from any source. I think Mayer’s comments are abhorrent.

Do you know why Sarah Palin quit, John? Sarah Palin quit because slimebags from the Democratic Party, terrified that she might actually amount to something, filed false “ethics” charge after false “ethics” charge against her, knowing full well that Alaska law mandated that each of these false charges had to be investigated, costing both Ms. Palin’s family and the State of Alaska hundreds of thousands of dollars per case?

It gets down to this, John. Show me where you expressed any outrage at all about the way Bill Maher and other “comedians” have described Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann and other conservative women and I’ll listen to your arguments about Rush Limbaugh. Otherwise STFU, as the kids these days say out there on the Internet.

John’s last comment calls Maher’s comments “abhorrent,” the first outright condemnation of them I’ve seen from him. He’s making progress. Obviously he (perhaps deliberately) missed my comment early in this thread to the effect that I thought Limbaugh’s terminology was inappropriate and that I thought his apology was warranted. We do not want to descend to the level of our opposition.

Yes, I had heard of her before Limbaugh’s comments. I read current events reporting. She was a political activist on her undergraduate campus and went to Georgetown to fight their Catholic policies.

Ditto to what Chris said about the way Palin was and is treated. Comments from leftists during the 2008 campaign were vile; comments about conservative women have continued to be vile from many of the same entertainers and news and opinion sources leftists often admire.

Your Honor other people say bad things and get away with it and also the devil made me do it. That summarises Rush’s defence and I’m told to STFU.

Now this is bizarre. In September 2010 both Andrea Mitchell and Brian Williams of NBC News were on the comedy show 30 Rock. Mitchell called a fictional character a “slut” and she and Williams, in their comedy roles, celebrated the remark. The clip was rerun on MSNBC. So apparently NBC newspeople do not consider this an especially insulting term, although Mitchell, when talking about the Limbaugh incident, said she couldn’t say the word on the air. It would seem the word is only bad depending upon whether one agrees with the target.

I apologize unreservedly

Never ruin an apology with an excuse. ~Kimberly Johnson

I recommend that if our esteemed host is not prepared to limit JOHN’s contributions after so many pleas to desist with the insults, irrelevancies, non sequiturs, intellectual dishonesties, false comparisons, sidetracking and attempts to hijack the thread, that anyone who cannot resists the impulse to respond to an obvious troll, voluntarily exclude him/herself from further contribution to the thread as a form of penance. It only ecourages him.

Not this is not censorship, but insitinace that he stick to the point an maintain a degree of decorum in his discourse.

LaVallette,

I tried issuing that warning quite a ways back in this thread – in vain, apparently.

As a rule of thumb, I’d say that after two failures to reply to the issues and instead play change-the-topic or hurl repeated ad hominems and baseless statements, any given commenter needs to be ignored. After all, you can’t have a conversation with either a brick wall or someone with a 10,000 watt megaphone.

Of course, one can always play the “Troll Drinking Game” – drink a shot for each ad hominem, each question unanswered, each repitition of a non-factual (unsupported) statement, etc. This comment thread would rapidly lead to alcohol induced coma, I fear…….