THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY

Sunday, February 26th, 2012 | Uncategorized

Although I seriously doubt that he’s going to win the Republican presidential nomination, you have to give Rick Santorum this much.  The guy’s pissed off the right people:

Some leaders of mainline Protestant denominations, meanwhile, are fuming over Santorum’s accusation that their churches have “gone from the world of Christianity.’’

“It is upsetting and kind of bizarre that a candidate has gone out of his way to question the faith of about a quarter of the US population,’’ said Bonnie Anderson, the president of the House of Deputies of the Episcopal Church. Speaking as the top elected lay leader of the worldwide church and a member of a Michigan congregation, Anderson said, “People are tired of seeing faith used as a political weapon, and Mr. Santorum might want to ask himself whether he and other politicians are contributing to this problem. I think it is very possible that he is.’’

In taking on mainline Protestant churches, Santorum risks alienating a large group of people who include many general election swing voters. White mainline Protestants make up 18 percent of the US population, and historically African-American Protestant churches account for 7 percent, according to a survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. Evangelicals make up 26 percent, Catholics are 24 percent, and Mormons and Jews are each 1.7 percent, the survey found.

Really, Bonnie?  A quarter of the US population?  Have you got an entirely different United States stashed away somewhere that you’re not telling anybody about?  Because that statement is just dumb is what that statement is.

I’ve got news for you, B.  You can make a far more plausible case declaring that a quarter of the US population consists of ex-mainline Protestants.  Know why that is?

I don’t know about anybody else but the only thing 2003 did for this former Episcopalian was to confirm something I’d learned a decade or two before but had been trying avoid confronting.  Namely, that the Episcopal Organization will never let a minor detail like the Bible get in the way of its intended social goals.

It’s like this, B.  You and I no longer regard the Word of God in the same way.  That’s your right, you can “interpret” the Scriptures any way you like.  But when your unique interpretation flies in the face of the teaching of the entire Church, it’s emminently safe to assume that you and I no longer share the same religion.

If that’s tough for you to hear, that’s not Senator Santorum’s problem.  He just used much blunter language to say what a lot of us figured out a long time ago.  Suck it up and deal with it.

32 Comments to THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY

Katherine
February 26, 2012

TEC leaders would never give speeches containing negative comments about Catholics, after all. Oh, wait …

Dale Price
February 26, 2012

I don’t know whether it’ll be enough, but he has my vote on Tuesday, for a plethora of reasons. This one just happens to be the most amusing.

Bill2
February 26, 2012

Episcopalians were once considered Christian? Slap me silly.

Katherine
February 26, 2012

Bill2, come on now. Among many other people I used to think Episcopalians believed what was in that majestic Prayer Book. Some of us really did, you know.

Bill2
February 26, 2012

No worries Katherine, so did I. I tend to think of that comment with regards to the clergy. The question now is “Which Prayer Book?”

As watered down as the ’79 BCP is compared to its previous versions, its amazing how many folks “go off the reservation” and create their own theologies.

Scott+
February 26, 2012

This past week I saw Santorum in person. He is an impressive speaker and has my vote this Tuesday.

dwstroudmd+
February 26, 2012

No sweat, Bonnie, cuz if those millions you refer to (somewhat delusionally, but okay)show up to vote like they show up to church, Rick’s got NO PROBLEM. Ya know what I mean? (Specially those “2.2 million” alleged EcUSAns.

dwstroudmd+
February 26, 2012

Yo. Where are all the moderate Muslims on this one?

Jill C.
February 26, 2012

My husband and I will also be voting for him in Tuesday’s primary election here in Michigan.

Clown Celebrant
February 26, 2012

The people Santorum is supposedly alienating are people who would be voting for Obama anyway. And he’s not wearing the magic underwear certain candidates are rumored to be wearing. So, he’s got that going for him. But, he’s no grownup like Ron Paul.

Bill2
February 26, 2012

Back in 2004 I was a diocesan delegate to a rather liberal midwestern TEO diocese. About 75% of the clergy had buttons for their favorite candidate, and ALL of them were for Kerry-Edwards. One of the biggest issues I had with TEO is that their politics drove their theology, not the other way around. Start with the conclusion you desire and make it up as you work backwards. Bonnie A. knows this and that’s why it stings so much.

Allen Lewis
February 27, 2012

What a laughable comment by a completely irrelevant “religious leader.” Bonnie Anderson is really funny when she takes herself and the House of Deputies so seriously.

What a twit!

Katherine
February 27, 2012

Bill2, I was confirmed with the 1928 PCP.

Clown Celebrant, that reference to “magic underwear” is, well, clownish. The candidate in question hasn’t tried to evangelize anyone on the campaign trail that I’ve heard of. You sound a bit like Santorum’s critics who are making fun of his religion, too.

Dale Price
February 27, 2012

The “magic underwear” crap is worthy of a New York Times columnist.

No, for real.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/02/charles-blow-mitt-romney-mormon-underwear-twitter.html

You don’t have to be a LDS to find that sort of anti-Mormon bigotry offensive.

Smurf Breath
February 27, 2012

“It is upsetting and kind of bizarre that a candidate has gone out of his way to question the faith of about a quarter of the US population”

So Bonnie, are you saying that politicians should play to the numbers and not to their convictions? Or are you saying that a religion is true solely on the basis numbers? Either way, you are a bozo.

And although there are far better reasons not to vote for Romney than his Mormonism, Mormonism is still a religion every bit as ridiculous and false as Islam and Scientology. There’s nothing wrong with mocking it. That said, anything is better than another 4 years of Obama. If it’s a choice between RINO and Obama, I’d have to go with RINO.

Katherine
February 27, 2012

If we’re talking about comparative religions, Smurf Breath, sure, I don’t find the LDS Church and doctrines convincing at all. However, what we’ve been talking about these past weeks is freedom of conscience and of religion in this country. Christians and Jews who don’t agree with Roman Catholic doctrine in its entirety have stood up for the right of Catholics to practice their faith without coercion. The right to practice a faith not exactly like mine extends to Mormons, too, and to Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and so on. I don’t think we ought to be making holding the “right” faith a key to running for public office and serving. If we say, “Oh, but not that one, because I think it’s ridiculous,” then when will they next be saying it about our own? They’re saying it now about Catholicism. The exceptions to this would be faiths whose teachings require its adherents to be unable to take the oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution and our civic laws. This might apply to Muslims, but not to Mormons.

Smurf Breath
February 27, 2012

The exceptions to this would be faiths whose teachings require its adherents to be unable to take the oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution and our civic laws.

This is certainly true. Islam is utterly incompatible with the Constitution, whereas Mormons have a very high regard for it… I did have a problem with a Mormon president last election, not this time. I just wish the front runner were a different Mormon.

Katherine
February 27, 2012

My own feeling is that the conservative “A” team isn’t running, and that includes Santorum in my book. But I agree, SB, I’ll vote for anyone we’re running. It’s urgently necessary to get rid of Obama. I actually supported Romney last time as an alternative to McCain. He’s done nothing but move in a more conservative direction since then. With more sensible people in the House and Senate to work with, I think he’d probably be a pretty decent President, maybe better than that, and without question better than what we’ve got now.

Daniel Muller
February 27, 2012

“It is upsetting and kind of bizarre that a candidate has gone out of his way to question the faith of about a quarter of the US population,” said Bonnie Anderson, the president of the House of Deputies of the Episcopal Church.

He did not actually mention “T”"E”"C,” but I guess Anderson — a generic mainline hoi polloi Protestant? — is saying the shoe fits. So her response is to (a) whine or (b) prove him wrong by preaching the Gospel?

Truth Unites... and Divides
February 27, 2012

I think Santorum is clearly the best of the 4 GOP candidates running.

Ed the Roman
February 27, 2012

This year, I would vote for Darth Vader.

Jim the Puritan
February 27, 2012

Katherine and Bill2–Some of us dinosaurs were even raised to believe the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion were binding. In fact, the charter of my diocese even said that. Now I discover they are considered a mere “historical document.”

Certainly, if they were still in force we wouldn’t have any of this nonsense going on. Little things like the following would seem to apply: “. . . it is not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that is contrary to God’s Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another.”

William Tighe
February 27, 2012

“I think Santorum is clearly the best of the 4 GOP candidates running.”

I agree, if without much enthusiasm; but I would vote for any of them, save Gingrich, against Obama.

Daniel Muller
February 27, 2012

I would vote for any of them, save Gingrich, against Obama.

I would even throw crazy Uncle Newt into the hopper. Every day there has been a new craziness in this obamination.

LaVallette
February 28, 2012

“and a member of a Michigan congregation,….”.

1) Has the TEC taken over from the “world wide” Anglican Church, which is likely to be found in countries that belonges to the bristish Empire plus a few other where Brits migrated to?

2) The TEC, with a membership of 2,125,000 and shrikign fast, and found mainly in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), plus small congreagtions in Honduras, Taiwan, Colombia, Ecuador, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, the British Virgin Islands and parts of Europe. Hardly “world wide”.

3) Catholics in USA about 77.7 million, the largest Christian Church and about 24% of American but only about 6% of the WORLWIDE Catholic Church.

So Bonnie dear, despite your claim to be “speaking as the top elected lay leader of the worldwide(??) church”, in the scheme of things you are very small fry indeed!!!! BTW have you sorted out who is the top authority in your “worldwide” church? Is it you or the Popess?

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Katherine
February 28, 2012

So, Michigan Republicans, now Santorum’s campaign is making robo-calls to Democrats asking them to turn out and vote for him in the Republican primary. Do you like that?

Dale Price
February 28, 2012

I live in Michigan, have voted and and tend to vote for the Republicans, but am not a member of the party.

What’s the big deal? He’s been making a pitch at Reagan Democrats since the campaign started here, and the robocall emphasizes his manufacturing plan.

Katherine
February 28, 2012

I saw an upside, Dale Price. The Republicans automatically get info on people who cross party lines to vote today. Those folks will be getting anti-Obama mailings in the fall, no matter who the nominee.

Geo. S. Southerly
February 28, 2012

Repentant Newt Gingrich is far better than an unrepentant liar Romney who has never been conservative and is pushing Obama’s socialist government control in the guise of health care.

During his governorship Romney backed down on every social issue faster and with less conscience than a Camp Allen bishop. His was the first state to pass gay marriage. He forced the Catholic church to give out contraception. He passed gay adoption without a church conscience clause.

Romney lied eight times in the last two debates and in many of his ads.
He stammers so badly and gets so flustered that his wife is planning to do the speaking for him from now on. He has run a very nasty, dishonest, Alinsky tactic campaign.

Then there is spiritual problem. There is Mormonism and its serious doctrinal problems (the religion is a cross between Christianity, Freemasonry, Islam and other spiritualist stuff that came out of the Burned-over district of NY state. The Mormons hope to fulfill their White Horse Prophecy by putting a Mormon in the White House to undo Joseph Smith’s failed run for the Presidency and martyrdom. Between BHO (his Sunni muslim fathers martyrdom and muslim hope for their Imam/Mahdi) and Mitt Romney, there are two men who feel spiritually destined and entitled to the office of President.

Romney also has a history of ruthlessness in business…and in politics of utilizing billions of taxpayer funds to bail out and support his business, the state, his health care plan and the Olympics… with the largest ever government grant to any Olympics in history costing $833, 000. per athlete.

Romney looks like a central-casting ideal, has a pretty family, but is corrupt at the core. He may be a faithful husband and father, but his virtue ends there.

Newt Gingrich is only the genuine conservative in the race.

Santorum is a good Christian guy, but he’s not going to deal with the FED, currency manipulation and instability (Soros), the judges/courts, media, political corruption, energy, or BIG LABOR, and all the rest that needs radical return to conservative policies.

Newt is the last best hope for the US.

Confessor
February 28, 2012

I’m certainly out of tune with the consensus here.

Newt Gingrich is the only one who makes sense to me.

And, as a fallen and restored sinner, and having worked with people with his background in ministry and counseling, I’m willing to forgive him. Obviously he’s repented and gotten help. People with his childhood background usually use relationships, substances (food, drugs, alcohol), etc. to numb their pain, until they come to Christ and get help, their lives are a mess, stuck in a child ego state. Something like that of children abused by priests and coaches. It takes Jesus and His people to bring them to new life and help them learn new ways of responding.

Here is one of the best of Newt’s speeches: http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/2009/11/part-ii-part-iii-part-iv.html

Confessor
February 28, 2012

Here’s Newt Gingrich speaking at a church in GA about the church and this administration’s encroachment on religious freedom…
Rock Springs Baptist Church – http://conservatives4newt.blogspot.com/2012/02/gingrich-you-dont-apologize-to-enemy.html

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