CLUELESSIANITY

Sunday, January 29th, 2012 | Uncategorized

In a way, it’s actually kind of sad watching them wildly flail about like this:

The Episcopal Church’s Executive Council continued Jan. 28 to grapple with the missional, organizational and financial realities of developing a budget for the 2013-2015 triennium.

The members also grappled with a timeline that calls for council to develop a draft triennial budget to give to the church’s Joint Standing Committee on Program, Budget and Finance (PB&F) by the close of its Jan. 27-29 meeting here at the Conference Center at the Maritime Institute. This timeline was contrasted with calls by some council members to spend more time envisioning the church’s mission goals, and revising the budget proposals it received the day before.

One budget scenario calls for asking dioceses to contribute 19 percent of their income and the other calls for dioceses contributing 15 percent. The larger amount of income is $103.6 million and the 15 percent-asking budget would be reduced by approximately $13.5 million, according to Treasurer Kurt Barnes. The 19 percent scenario could result in staff reductions equivalent to eight full-time staff positions at most and the 15 percent scenario would amount to 36 full-time equivalent staff positions at most, according to the spreadsheets presented.

“The way we are currently approaching the budgeting process appears to be de facto restructuring by funding or de-funding parts of the organization. The tail is wagging the dog,” Lelanda Lee, a member of council’s Advocacy and Networking for Mission committee, told her colleagues.

“Neither iteration – 19 percent asking or 15 percent asking – provides a new vision,” Katie Sherrod said in reporting the reaction of the Governance and Administration for Mission committee. “We need a vision for the future.”

While council heard much discussion the previous day about declining mainline denominational membership and financial struggles caused both by those membership declines and the current economy, council member Brian Cole said that his table colleagues questioned the assumed implications of that information.

He said they wanted to challenge the rest of the council to consider “if we believe decline is inevitable and ongoing forever, or do we really believe we have good news to share.”

Should I tell them?   Nah, probably wouldn’t matter.

32 Comments to CLUELESSIANITY

LaVallette
January 29, 2012

“He said they wanted to challenge the rest of the council to consider “if we believe decline is inevitable and ongoing forever, or do we really believe we have good news to share.”

The “GOOD NEWS” od Christ that they had to share has been discraded as too old fashioned, too coherent and constraining of the “natural urges” and consequently too judgemental and lacking in the clebration of diversity especially of the sexual kind. The problem is that the NEW VISION of non judgementalism and approval of “diversity” of all kinds according to the diktats of the New Spirit of the Age for its own sake lacks in appeal to that percentage of humans endowed with the most basic amount of intelligence. The “New Vision” is not a vision at all and is not liberating constrained as it is to being ephemeral and limited to its “moment of time”. The only happy people are those who see the New Vision as path of self destruction for those who hold it.

Fuinseoig
January 29, 2012

Not to mention that headquarters scooping 19% of income will probably tip some struggling dioceses over the edge, and they’ll either have to amalgamate, cut to the bone, or face the remnant few getting fed-up of constant demands for contributions and deciding the Methodists are a lot more fun if they really need to go to church on Sundays any more.

Sparky
January 29, 2012

No sweat. Executive Council does not follow Gen Con.’s budget and Gen. Con. does not follow program Program, Budget and Finance. Just dip into some trust whose grantor is deceased, apply those $ against expenses and publicly report monthly detail beginning in March.

Katherine
January 29, 2012

Katie Sherrod wants a “new vision.” Katie, you and your colleagues have implemented that new vision in your church, and these budget problems are the result.

Fuinseoig
January 29, 2012

2006 General Convention: “In what has become a major mission and evangelism emphasis of this General Convention, the MDG resolution (D022):

Establishes achieving the MDGs as a stated mission priority of the Episcopal Church for the next three years”

ONE Episcopalian Campaign re-writes this to state that “In 2006, the General Convention declared the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) to be the top mission priority of the Episcopal Church.”

Not just a singular mission priority amongst others, but the top priority.

2012: Help! We’s got no money and no members!

Seeing as how the last “vision for the future” worked out so well, maybe Katie Sherrod should hold back on calling for a new one?

The Little Myrmidon
January 29, 2012

“We need a vision for the future.”

REALLY?

Bill2
January 29, 2012

I thought the vision was acceptance of alternative life-styles and hard left politics.

I mean, who wouldn’t want to sign up for that?

Ed the Roman
January 29, 2012

1. Now at least there is a group of lefties who really know what it’s like trying to deal with the way lefties want to do Defense budgeting.

2. They’ve forgotten the answer to the question of whether the Church is an NGO whose members join it to further an external program or whether it’s the Body of Christ whose members join it to be joined to Him, and therefore also perform works of mercy alongside the main work of *incorporating and sanctifying more members*. Since that is the greatest work of mercy of them all.

tjmcmahon
January 29, 2012

The part that I find tragic (in the classic Aristotelian sense of the unrecognized character flaw), is that, in their hubris, most bishops and leader do not see the fatal flaw in their own argument.

When the bishops and leaders are out preaching that you do not need to follow Biblical precepts, nor follow the word of God, nor even go to church to achieve Salvation, what motivation do people have to go to church or be a member?

It’s like a college professor who makes class and homework optional, and doesn’t give a final exam. After two weeks, no one is coming to class, and no one turns in homework. The difference is that TEC doesn’t even make you keep a journal. The only accountability in all too many parishes and dioceses is for political correctness.

Dale Matson
January 29, 2012

The budget question of 15% or 19% is a moot point. It is an “ASKING”. They can ask for whatever percent they want but it is up to the congregations to decide how much they will give. One of the reasons for the decline in income is the unwillingness of congregations to knowingly help underwrite the cost of the legal actions against the congregations and Dioceses that have left TEC. While KJS claims to be defending the legacy, the irony is that she is spending it down. Additionally, what is far more important, she and the other leaders have destroyed the theological legacy of what was once a great church.

Marie Blocher
January 29, 2012

The new vision:
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| R I P |
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| T E C |
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| 1789- |
| 2015 |
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Marie Blocher
January 29, 2012

Sorry that didn’t come across as well as it should have. I forgot that html compresses multiple spaces
into one. But I think you get the idea.

kb9gzg
January 29, 2012

Proverbs 29:18

Allen Lewis
January 29, 2012

Pure schadenfreude on my part. After trashing 2000 years of theology and tradition, these bozos are wondering why the money is not coming in like it used to. They can ask for 25%, but unless they are willing to punish dioceses which do not meet the asking, then they have no way of enforcing that amount.

Good riddance, say I!

The Lakeland Two
January 29, 2012

Marie – I think the date of death is a whole lot earlier than 2015. 1976, 1979 or 2003.

The Lakeland Two
January 29, 2012

Oh, yeah. Title was great. I was thinking delusional – so much that they believe their own propaganda. Not only are the droves NOT coming to their new thing, the rest of us won’t pay for it either. They will never get 10%, nor the amazingly bold “pay us what we want” 21% for every program but evangelizing the Gospel. They will not wake up because they are deceived by Satan. May God shake them up and wake them up. Only He can.

ann r
January 29, 2012

I was rereading an old article recently on how Maslow detested Christianity, and how Rogers and Coulson, following Maslow’s psychology, destroyed religious orders. I think the same psychology has been at work in the Episcopal Org., with much the same result. I suspect none of the bishops realize how much they have been mislead by modern “psychology”. “Feel good” seems to be the moral test approved by TEC. Donating to the local Episcopal franchise doesn’t “feel good.”

Clown Celebrant
January 29, 2012

“The tail is wagging the dog,” says Lelanda Lee. Hahaha. I guess we’re the tail? But, everyone here appears to be missing the point. What’s wrong with TEC? Clearly folks at headquarters haven’t gone far enough. They need to push the envelope with further radical adaptations to the prevailing American culture. And we need more clown eucharists.

SouthCoast
January 29, 2012

“We need a vision for the future.” Might I refer her to that grand old consulting firm of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, or their associate firm, Paul?

Barney
January 29, 2012

Vision? I suggest that TEC see an optometrist…

Larry
January 29, 2012

15% or 19% or do they need to follow the European Socialist model of a 21% to 25% Value Added Tax disguised as a Federal Sales Tax.

Tax ‘em to death. It works every time you want to destroy an organization or a country for that matter.

Dale Matson
January 29, 2012

Barney,
Can you think of any other specialists that would be helpful to TEC? Yup, you got it on the first try.

Craig Reed
January 29, 2012

If the Ordinariate continues to gain momentum there may be a new vision for TEO.

Click the heels of your ruby sanctuary slippers together 3 times…

There’s no place like Rome, there’s no place like Rome…

dwstroudmd+
January 29, 2012

“Religions are particular and specific responses to general problems. Without that specificity they would be less dangerous, much less prone to dogmatism, prejudice and group-mindedness. But they would also lose many of those qualities that de Botton recognises and celebrates. People would stop believing in them.”

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/nelson-jones/2012/01/religion-botton-culture

Thoroughly accurate accounting and recounting of the secular humanist “religion” – really must be read to be appreciated.

hat tip to T19

Dale Matson
January 29, 2012

Craig Reed,
The Ordinariate may gain more Anglo Catholics from outside TEC than TEC since most are already gone from TEC. The liberals that remain will die off and we will no longer have to dismiss the little woman behind the curtain.

midwestnorwegian
January 29, 2012

At what point – if you a congregation does not give the full “asking” – does Schori and Beers just walk in and take everything they want? How is pledged money any different than parish property?

RMBruton
January 29, 2012

I wouldn’t be so quick to gloat, TEC is simply the engine of the Episcopalian train and many of those applauding its having gone off of the tracks are, themselves, riding in the Caboose.

Barney
January 29, 2012

Our Lady of the Oven Mitt (and that is an insult to oven mitts) cares not for the health of the parishes or the dioceses. The endowments and value of the property is all that 815 really is concerned with; and not selling building to vibrant Anglican parishes after she throws them out just before Thanksgiving (ooops, sorry… but I am from Christ Church Westshore, the Church Formerly Known as St. Barnabas, Bay Village)…

Power… Greed… Lust… yup the 7 deadly sins all rolled in to one organization! One stop Shopping!!!!!!

FW Ken
January 29, 2012

I don’t see a link to the statistical report, and it’s a zip file, so rather than link directly (which I will probably screw up), here’s Kendall Harmon’s post on it, with the link:

http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/40885/

It’s a sad thing to read.

I was going to say something about Katie Sherrod’s “New Vision” and her parish, but the charts are down, so later… l

tjmcmahon
January 29, 2012

“How is pledged money any different than parish property?”

It isn’t. In any number of dioceses, they have gone from an “asking” to “assessment”. If you don’t pay up, you become a “parish in distress”, the bishop walks in and takes over. Also, of course, frequently used to discipline orthodox parishes which withhold contributions from the diocese.
In coming years you will no doubt see smaller congregations pressured to close so the bishop can take the endowments, auction the stained glass windows and sell the real estate to keep her/himself in the style to which s/he has become accustomed.

Dale Matson
January 30, 2012

dwstroudmd+,
Hey, Are you now ordained? If so, congratulations!

Dale Matson
January 30, 2012

RMBruton,
FYI, your metaphor is deficient. Trains no longer have a caboose.

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