” willing to use the machinery of the state to enforce his prejudices”

Sorta like Chane to keep the homeless from shelter because of his prejudices against Anglicans, huh?

Pot greet kettle.

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Good Grief talk abnout a Scandal

LInked at

Pope Benedict Versus Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori on prophetic Voice

http://opinionatedcatholic.blogspot.com/2008/12/pope-benedict-versus-bishop-katharine.html

I was raised Episcopalian. Thanks for reminding me why I’m not one any longer. They worship their own political opinions, and stroke themselves about how good and noble they are. Ugh. What drivel. I’ll bet Khatami’s “intense interest” in his political opinions makes Mr. Chane feel so very special.

Why do the Leftists feel so compelled to demonize those with whom they disagree? What a freakin’ baffoon!

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Episcopalian Bishop = moral coward

What a refreshing find. I will be reading the posts here often.

Very interesting.

Thank you.

Marquis

Rick Warren of Saddleback Church is hardly the Second Coming of the Spanish Inquisition.

Yes, I do admit to schadenfreude when all the Nice People who voted for Obama suddenly got a dreadful shock now that he’s behaved like a, well, politician: “Oh, no! You mean he told us what we wanted to hear so we’d vote for him? How could he!”

Don’t worry, Bishop Chane: when President Obama’s term begins, he’ll break promises to *everybody*, not just you guys

“…he’ll break promises to *everybody*, not just you guys”

Yes, when it comes to selecting who to make dupes of, Obama is definitely a big tent kind of guy.

“The President-elect may not ever agree with conservatives much, if at all, but he does not believe that conservatives are evil. They are just people who hold positions that differ from his own and their positions are perfectly valid ones to espouse.”

I don’t think BO ever shows us what he really thinks, so to infer from this that he does not think, like the rest of the Dem party, that conservatives are evil, is probably not justified. He is a very good poker player most of the time. I really doubt that he would ever seriously acknowledge the validity of the conservative position. He might lawyer his way through a question on the matter, but he would never, ever, give a simply “yes” to such a question, in my opinion.

Chane’s a f__.

Just for the record, Warren supported Prop. 8.

Yikes! Thanks, Mark. It’s fixed.

I guess Obama wanted a Christian to give the invocation, so Chane was right out. He probably thought he had a right to invoke the MDGs at the inauguration.

And if Chane wants to call names, I’ll cop to moronophobic: I can’t stand Chane.

“Rick Warren of Saddleback Church is hardly the Second Coming of the Spanish Inquisition.”

Even the Spanish Inquisition wasn’t the Spanish Inquisition.

Bishop Chane’s diatribe is unfortunate, though not at all surprising. I have grown weary of the overused suffix phobic. Ascribing a mental disorder to those with the temerity to disagree is the byproduct of a childish impulse the good Bishop obviously has failed to arrest. Given the Bishops comfort level with identity politics, I breathlessly await his condemnation of Black and Latino citizens who voted overwhelmingly against the prospect of gay marriage in California. The argument that voting down Proposition 8 is denying equal rights by using the machinery of state is laughable. Here’s why. Bishop Chane may not like the law, but their is no denying it applies equally to all citizens. No citizen is allowed to marry another of the same sex. The argument that marriage can mean whatever individuals decide for themselves is a strong libertanian argument. One that I agree with. However, one should have their eyes wide open when asserting this argument. This same argument in order to be consistent must apply to all individuals. When three individuals decide to marry will Bishop Chane be comfortable using the machinery of state to deny the third person? Bishop Chane is obviously more interested in declaring his moral superiority by demonizing his opponents, than actually doing the difficult task of changing peoples minds by winning them over.

Uhm…I’d like to go on record as comparing homosexuality to incest and pedofilia in regard to cases where partners may not marry by law. To be even more extreme I will say that individuals are not free to marry members of the same sex just like they are not free to marry non-human animals or the dead.

There. I’m an extremist !!

So, Chane is attacking Obama for associating with Warren who is a proponent of the traditional view of marriage.

And then Chane goes and pats himself on the back for his own open-mindedness in embracing Iranian theocrats who are proponents of the “traditional” view of homosexuality — killing them.

Log, speck anyone?

I wish I had time to go back and read the whole interview with Pastor Warren and see how much of his seemingly bizarre comments are perfectly reasonable in context. He did issue some clarifications that I read, and his connection of same-sex marriage and free speech are perfectly reasonable. In fact, it’s the same connection which I made on two blogs and for which I was thoroughly pilloried. How nice to know Pastor Warrent agrees with me.

Anyway, you have to wonder how many of his other comments are distorted or just plain mis-represented.

Since when does 5% of the population dictate the agenda for the majority? A dictatorship of the minority is just as much of a tyranny as that by the majority.

And please note a bolt is made up of a crew and a nut and no claim to equal and natural rights will enable either two nuts on their own or two screws on their own to be defined as a bolt. It is an offence against the natural law to attempt to do so.

I wonder if John Chane ever wonders what the Iranian clerics really think about him? Does he really think that they think a pompous liberal American non-Muslim religious leader is someone to be respected and admired? Does he not realize that they probably laugh at him and consider him to be simply a useful idiot to be manipulated?

deamonizing those with which one disagrees ….

This is the “Thank God for the Devil” effect

It comes from the left routinely.
When you spend your entire existence in a fantasy world, you have NO reasoning skills. Have no way to develop these skills, therefore you create a Devil, because you don’t reason with a devil you combat the devil, you HATE the devil. Easy isn’t it?

Rich

I found the video usually cited regarding the “incest and paedophilia” charge: http://www.beliefnet.com/Video/Beliefnet-Interviews/Rick-Warren/Rick-Warren-Interview-On-Gay-Marriage-And-Divorce.aspx

Wait until Chane finds out that Iran is a country where one can face the death penalty merely for being gay.

My guess on where the “only the most extreme liken the loving, lifelong partnerships of their fellow citizens to incest and pedophilia, as Mr. Warren has done” is coming from is that Leviticus 18 prohibits both incest and homosexual acts. So, in some individuals’ minds, anyone citing the Bible’s prohibition against homosexual acts could be said to be likening them to incest.

I am pleased that Obama invited Rick Warren. I’m also pleased that it’s driving the left nuts.

In the past few decades, the left has been characterized by nothing if not intolerance. Maybe this will help squash that type of liberalism.

Or not.

Maybe the left will turn on Obama sooner than we thought.

As always the left is tolerant of all views that are exactly like theirs.

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“espousing assassination of foreign leaders”?

My goodness, what would have happened (or not happened) had we assassinated Saddam Hussein?

Nice slap down. Very well done.

What an utter moral vacuum Chane exists in. Explains his brain-dead thought process. No wonder the Anglican/Episcopal churches are dying.

Jesus INVITES everyone to his table. That doesn’t mean EVERYONE gets in to Heaven. There’s rules, folks – call it an inconvenient truth.

If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.

I do not merely justify lethal violence against (some) Muslims, I actively advocate it. For example, it is meet and right to use JDAMs to convert mud huts full of Taliban into temporarily airborne Jihadi Stroganoff. We would be delinquent in our duty to the world NOT to be extirpating these animals. Some folks just need killin’.

Of course, I’m a godless infidel (in the truest sense) so I guess Chane doesn’t think I have a voice.

When three individuals decide to marry will Bishop Chane be comfortable using the machinery of state to deny the third person?

Once the “right” to marriage has been established for same-sex activists, the legalizing of polygamy will be the next campaign. We will hear the same arguments and witness the same political activism in support of it. Remember, this is the LGBT community in action. They will not stop until all their sexual behaviors are declared “normal” and “legal.”

The Episcopal Church was just the vehicle for legitimizing their claims. It was also ripe for takeover by dedicated activists.

Bishop Chane has been a “useful idiot” in more ways than one!

Chane once again demonstrates why the orthodox faithful (and even some moderates) are leaving TEO in droves:

“We are inclusive. If you are not as inclusive as we are, we will call you names just to show how tolerant WE are compared to you.”

Boggles the imagination…

-Jim+

You know, this letter sounds like the ranting of a young child who didn’t get invited to a birthday party. BUT, I WANNA GO….I WANNA GO….IT’S NOT FAIR!

Methinks that if the good (cough, cough) Bishop is really that upset, that maybe he should not allow Obama to use National Cathedral for the Prayer Breakfast. Put you money where your mouth is, sir.

Maybe Obama just doesn’t put as much political emphasis on the religious sphere as the bishop does. Maybe he thinks a variety of opinions and voices deserve to have an airing at a national event like an inauguration. Could be that way, couldn’t it?

Did Bp Chane sent a similar condemnatory letter to clergy and congregation about President-elect Obama’s relationship with his pastor, Rev. Wrigt? I have to wonder since his press release says,

“The president-elect’s willingness to associate himiself with a man who epsouses these views . . ., and I find this deeply troubling.” BAH

Evangelicals Derangement Syndrome EDS – you hear it first here

Imagine our justifiable outrage if an Iranian cleric who advocated the assassination of President Bush had been selected to offer prayers when Ahmadinejad was sworn in.

IF? I think it’s part of the job description.

He has spoken at the National Cathedral, which will host the president-elect’s inaugural prayer service, and I have visited with him several times in Iran and elsewhere.

And where did YOU speak when the Iranians were so generously repaying your hospitality? Oh, the Tehran Central Shoe Recycling Depot? And they kept smiling and assuring you that this was an honour they saved for important visitors just like you?

+1 Sinker. One has to wonder if his majasty mental ruler of the world to be Bp Chane has/will ask his good buddy the Iranian Pres., how many death warrants by slow hanging he had signed for being gay? Putz

What would he say if an “Iranian cleric who advocated the assassination of President Bush had been selected to offer prayers when Ahmadinejad was sworn in.” Putz Chane does not read thier press or speeches much does he? That is exactly what happened/is happening.

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Why doesn’t Chane ask his ol’ buddy Mohammed Khatami what *he* thinks of gay marriage?

Why doesn’t Mr. Chane the good-for-nothing Antichrist of a false “bishop” GO to Irân and STAY THERE for at least a good 10 years – and then on to North Korea for another 15 years?!!?!

Much as I hate Ljéñin’s guts (he was instrumental in preparing the way for the even more lethal Stáljin!!), his warning about what intellectuals can become (“the intelligentsia are not the brains of the nation but the sh-t!”) is one never to be forgotten when dealing with such low-lives as Schori-Jefferts, Bruno, VGR, Chane, Persell, Alexander, O. Walker, Spong, Ingham, Caleb Lawrence, Rowan Williams, Roger Mahony, Kieran Conry, Carlo Maria Martini and so many, many others…

I woudln’t rejoice if I were you.

I’m afraid the best comment on this linked from titus:

The real story here is not that President-elect Obama has somehow blessed Rick Warren’s views on abortion or gay rights, but that one of America’s leading evangelical pastors has decided to bless the presidency of someone who is strongly pro-choice and committed to the civil rights of gays and lesbians. That’s a rather extraordinary development.

So Sasha – will you add Obama (who is absolutely clearly an intellectual) and Warren (who is sucking up to Obama, and is a wannabe intellectual) to your list of the shit of America?

At the barest possible minimum preparation for such a trip, I’d LOVE for all those leftist TRAITORS to be forced to undergo at least a week’s worth of what this link suggests for 3 hours: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099140/Inside-Europes-strangest-theme-park-secret-underground-base-offers-terrifyingly-realistic-reminder-Soviet-occupation.html

NO, “Sinner”, I’ll never trust anything you post or write. It’s so obvious what kind of an “agent provocateur” you really are!!!

I dare say that at least several others here will agree with me when I humbly but definitely request that you LEAVE this website and us ALONE!!! Understand? / Capite? / Comprenez? / Verstehen Sie? / Poñimájetje? / Razúmete???