CURIAS ‘R’ US
Monday, October 25th, 2010 | Uncategorized
Remember when Anglican popes were bad? Guess who suddenly seems open to the idea:
Until Mary Frances Schjonberg of Episcopal News Service files her story, we will be without a first hand account, but email communication with some of those present suggests that some members of the council thought that the Presiding Bishop was beginning to make the case for a style of governance that concentrated more authority in the hands of bishops and the Church Center staff at the expense of clergy and laity. Several deputies noted remarks made by bishops at the last General Convention which seemed to disparage or discount the need for the House of Deputies.
The Presiding Bishop said she had not heard conversation about doing away with the House of Deputies. There was much use of the Pauline metaphor of the church as the body of Christ, and general agreement that, as Paul said, no member could say to another: I have no need of you. Yet, each member has a different role, and the bishops on the council asserted the distinct nature of their role.
I say go for it. Full throttle, pedal to the medal and don’t look back. When the Presiding Bishop makes a diocesan visitation, carry her into church on a gestatorial chair. For really special occasions, buy her a tiara.
Require that all official church correspondence have a wax image of TEO’s massive Great Seal attached by a strip of cloth. Engrave Mrs. Schori one of her own. Have Church Center start exchanging ambassadors with other countries. The Episcopalians are limited only by their creativity.
Tell me something, smartass. How are they going to pay for all this since they’re bleeding scratch like nobody’s business? Easy. All they have to do is start selling off those properties they’ve been suing people out of.
In this real estate market? Yeah, well…hey, shut up!!
21 Comments to CURIAS ‘R’ US
Well, why not? After all, the office has gradually assumed more and more importance: “The title “Primate” was added in 1982″ according to the website of TEC, and you’ve already got the Presiding Bishop’s Primatial Staff.
Keep an eye out for sightings of the pallium any day now!
October 25, 2010
Your “gestatorial chair” link doesn’t work.
All of this is pretty amusing considering all the wailing about TEC’s “polity.” That was always a smokescreen anyhow, of course.
Thanks, Katherine. I seem to have found one that works.
October 25, 2010
The Curmudgeon link is amusing reading, for me, or sad, if one still cares about TEC. They are litigating themselves and talking themselves into oblivion.
October 25, 2010
A little local color: St. Timothy Episcopal Church here in Fort Worth, it’s said, used to bring the bishop in on a sedan chair with flabella (the fans in CJ’s picture). Bp. Davies declined the chair, but I saw the flabella with my very own eyes.
I have to say, however, that I remember some snotty comments made by deputies about the bishops at that same General Convention. Perhaps her Bonnieness might like to be the Presiding Deputy, or Archdeputy, supplanting Queen Kate.
October 25, 2010
I won’t be surprised if Kathi does away with term limits for herself.
October 25, 2010
I don’t know enough about Schori to have any idea if she’s having fun. Sounds like an awful situation to me, which she has done to herself, of course, but often people who have created bad situations are the most stubborn about sticking with it.
October 25, 2010
What does Bonnie Anderson think of this? I thought she was a major playa.
October 25, 2010
Well, if Kathi starts wearing red shoes, it’s all over.
October 25, 2010
I think the Hekawi Indians were more oriented than
“KJS” Troop.
October 25, 2010
WTF may have it right; 10 year term? Hah! How about until she decides to retire?? It may take longer than the usual to have her visions come to fruition. She may want to be the *last* PB.
Well, if Kathi starts wearing red shoes, it’s all over.
The Shoes of the Oceanographer.
October 26, 2010
Popessa Schori I. Does have a nice ring to it. Hey, and make all the Deputies into Cardinals! Why, this could keep the Episcopos busy for years and years.
October 26, 2010
Reminds me of The Story of The Fisherman and His Wife
The woman started off with normal wishes, that gradually increased and became megalomania, wanting to be king, emperor, then pope, and then finally…God.
October 26, 2010
“For really special occasions, buy her a tiara.”
So with one momentous gesture she will make the mighty leap from a mere Bishop(ess) to a Pope(ess) thus holding a superior office to any other rank in Anglicanism. As a consequence she will not only be the Pirmate of Episcopalianism but of the entire Anglican Communion since she would outrank everybody in that communion. Ipso facto, she would also be entitled to wear the “tiara” the next time she is invited to preach at the Southwark Cathedral in London or even more triumphantly at Saint Augustine’s own Canterbury Cathedral.
She will then be able to claim she is more Anglican then Henry VIII himself.
October 26, 2010
The title of Popessa is too small at thing! DOMINATRIX!
October 26, 2010
There are a couple of posts at the Anglican Curmudgeon and Baby Blue, with Shori quotes that would give anyone chills. She uses Biblical words, but her tone and purpose is just like a cult leader leading her followers into deeper and deeper darkness and deception. What she says is not based on Biblical truth or even reason. It is not the Gospel of salvation and repentance, of Christ overcoming sin, of our crucifying the flesh, walking toward holiness and sanctifaction and of following Christ, God’s word and Commandments.
She is pushing another gospel of wishful thinking, futility, irrationality, confusion, chaos, of ideas that are not based on the substantial foundation of truth, of a perversion and counterfeit of love, of trying to gratify the flesh and the fallen soul and a never-ending search for power and control, where she is the person in charge – strikingly similar to the current US administration.
October 26, 2010
Smurf Breath,
If you mean by “playa” the spanish translation (which is “beach”), you might be on to something.
October 26, 2010
I meant that I thought she was a powerful force to be reckoned with within TEC, and wouldn’t take kindly to having the HoD dismantled.
October 26, 2010
I’m beginning to wonder if there really is something going on behind the scenes.
If there is maybe the floating of a notion to cut back on the House of Deputies in some way, because of the budget. After all, if they’re talking about 815 being too expensive to run and maybe they’ll have to mortgage it or sell it or reduce it in scale, then a whole separate House of Deputies and President and all the attendant expenses must begin to look like an attractive target to reduce. Because yes, it’s the laity and the clergy and the bishops who are all the governance of TEC, we know, but if you’ve already got your bishop representing the diocese, why do you need a separate deputy? Wouldn’t it be easier and more convenient to just take the resolutions at the diocesan convention and send them on to the House of Bishops for action?
And perhaps the deputies are sensing this and beginning to fight back for their privileges?
This starts to look like an interesting little internal power struggle about to get off the ground – and at first I just thought this was the usual boilerplate about ‘living into the tension’ and ‘our democratic polity’!
October 27, 2010
i’m thinking that, given her usual taste in vestments, the presiding bishop’s tiara would be hideous on an epic scale.
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October 25, 2010