Hmmm, let’s see:
“Our God, who art in Heaven…”
“The God and I are one and the same…”
“I am in the God and the God is in me…”
“God, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

Thanks, but no thanks. It not only destroys the way in which we can conceive of the relationships among the Persons in the Holy Trinity, but it sounds goofy, tool.

“I’ll take the original language for $500, Alex.”

Was it here someone posted a lib group singing: “This is the day our god has made, presumably to avoid the masculine “lord”. The, to show how incredibly multi-cultural, inclusive, not to mention hip, slick, and cool they were, they sang it in Spanish, but used “El Senor”.

Now I’m not good with languages, but isn’t “El Senor” a masculine that translates “Lord”?

God spoke the universe into existence. Words are important.

FW Ken:

Actually, Señor is a masculine title meaning ‘Lord’. ‘El Señor’ is not real Spanish, any more than ‘The Mister’ would be real English.

Este es el dia
Que hizo el Senor
Nos gozaremos
Y alegraremos
Este es el dia que hizo el Senor
Nos gozaremos Y alegraremos
Este es el dia
Que hizo el Senor

http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/english-worship-song-in-spanish-translation/12433-praise-and-worship-songs-in-spanish-english.html

Not saying it’s proper grammar, however.

I’m with Ken. I love it when the progressives branch out into other languages that have not yet caught up to their level of spiritual enlightenment. “Padre Nuestro, Madre Nuestra que esta in cielo, santificado e santificada son tus nombres. . ” Ah, I give up. It sounds just as stupid in a Romance language.

Ordinariate bound

Ordinariate bound,
Have any Ordinariates actually been set up since the Pope’s invitation?
I’ve been watching and listening but have heard nothing more than “some are considering it”

It’s way too late to point out that “God is love and we are his children” doesn’t appear in any classical Anglican confessions that I’m aware of.

It is soooo cute when they lie like that. They are just so precious!

About a dozen years ago, when I still Anglican, I happened to find myself in Pasadena, California. I attended a service at a TEO outpost I then knew nothing about: All Saints. They had butchered the Lord Prayer into something that I couldn’t even recognize until at least halfway through it. They replaced “Our Father” with a couple of words from Aramaic, presumably “Father” and “Mother”. Hastened my departure from Protestantism, that’s for sure.

The beauty of your final paragraph lifts me to ecstatic experiences of justice-love and spirituality. We need you back in TEC – yours is a voice we need to affirm around the table at the campfire circle of producing a new Prayer Book style of worship materials for future generations.

“Have any Ordinariates actually been set up since the Pope’s invitation?”

No, and they won’t be until after particular groups of Anglicans indicate to Rome that they accept and believe as true “all that the Catholic Church teaches to be revealed by God” and petition Rome to erect an Ordinariat for them. The bishops of the “Traditional Anglican Communion” having done the former at their Portsmouth Synod in October 2007, and those of the TAC’s Canadian and Australian provinces having done the latter within the past two months, such Ordinariats may be expected sooner rather than later.

In America and England things are a bit different. The tiny English province of the TAC has already petitioned for the creation of an Ordinariat, but Rome is clearly awaiting a move on the part of the leading figures of the Anglo-Catholic part of the “orthodox opposition” within the Church of England, and in particular of the so-called “flying bishops” (or “Provincial Episcopal Visitors”) whose positions were created in 1993 as part of the compromise necessary to gain Parliamentary acceptance of the “Women’s Ordination (Priesthood)” measure, but which are now to be terminated by the provisions of the “Women’s Ordination (Episcopate)” bill beginning its passage through the General Synod. There are four such bishops: +Ebbsfleet (Andrew Burnham), +Richborough (Keith Newton), +Beverley (Martyn Jarrett) and +Fulham (John Broadhurst — technically not a PEV, but who acts in an analogously to them in the Diocese of London), as well as two retired ones: Edwin Barnes (quondam +Richborough) and John Gaisford (quondam +Beverley). As I understand the situation, three of the four active PEVs are firmly in the “Romeward bound” camp (as is one of the retired ones), one is undecided, and the other retiree is firmly against it. Nothing will be done during the papal visit, of course, and after it the FIF/UK clergy of the York Province under +Jarrett will have a “sacred synod” on 9/23 to discuss these matters, and those in the Canterbury Province under the other three will have their own on 9/24; then there will be the annual general meeting of FIF/UK on 15-16 October, which will probably see the departure of most of the FIF/UK leadership from their offices, to be replaced by those who feel called to remain “Anglican forever” or at least to the “bitter end” of the struggle over women bishops in 2014. I suspect that there will be an English Ordinariat by the beginning of next year.

As to the United States, who knows? Some of the bishops in the ACA (the “Anglican Church in America,” the American province of the TAC) have, as I see it, disgraced themselves in recent months. All of the incumbent ACA bishops (and all or almost all of the retired ones) endorsed the resolutions of the Portsmouth Synod in October 2007 and went on to sign both the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” and its “Compendium” (abridged summary) as a sign that they had fully accepted the Catholic Faith. Now, however, one of these diocesan bishops is refusing to go along the “road to Rome” for what he terms “pastoral reasons” (i.e., many of his flock won’t go — but it might reasonably be inquired how much he and his brother bishops actually have levelled with their people since 2007 about what has been in the works), although those of a more cynical mindset have wondered whether his status as a divorced-and-remarried man (which means that he will never be able to serve in any clerical capacity in an Ordinariat, let alone as a bishop) might be influencing his decision; and two others, both of whom became diocesan bishops in the ACA subsequent to that Portsmouth Synod, are taking the same stand; while the fourth diocesan bishop is firmly in favor — but is experiencing a revolt in his diocese. I have to say, as one who has followed these matters since 2002 very closely, and has even been peripherally involved in some of them, the ineptitude and folly of the ACA/TAC leadership, particularly in not preventing the advancement of divorced-and-remarried clergymen to the episcopate (for two of the three ACA bishops opposing “the Roman road” are DaR), and especially in not ensuring that all of those who became bishops in the ACA after October 2007 Portsmouth Synod (whose decisions were presented as a solemn committment binding upon the TAC) were firmly, unequivocally and explicitly bound to accept and promote the decisions to which the bishops at that synod solemnly and unanimously, as well as unconditionally, committed themselves. In fine, while I have some reason to expect that the creation of an American Ordinariat is in the works — and there certainly are a number of ex-Episcopalian Catholic priests who would be fully suited to serve as its Ordinary — I am not sure how soon it will emerge, given the total mess that the TAC/ACA leadership has made of things.

Sounds like they’ve been listening too much to old Bob Dole speeches.

Sounds like they’ve been listening too much to old Bob Dole speeches.

The gross misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the nature of language is quite amusing.

I had a conservative Rector in a church that was more liberal than he and he was trying to justify the use of the NRSV in the church (it was a battle he didn’t want to fight, but I did). When I argued against so-called “inclusive language” by saying that the use of “man” to mean mankind as a whole does not exclude women because it is undertsood to include them, he responded that that use of the word was no longer common. Clearly he was trying to ape the Supreme Court’s reasoning in Roe V Wade and take one contemporary trend of thought and proclaim that as the dominant or at least inevitable future. That trend was present, in the growing use of terms like “humanity” and “humankind” (both words a gross misuse of proper grammar IMHO), but the “traditional” use was still clearly present in the popular culture in the use of “man” and “mankind” in popular discourse and the arts (TV, cinema, etc.) whenever our species is meant.

The reason for the still prevalent use of the masculine as a generic term is that language does not evolve as easily as culture does. Language tends to be conservative by nature because it involves memory and habit. People may be less ideologically committed to patriarchical patterns of thought but they will still use the language, and understand it when it is used, because that is part of the way they have learned to speak. It actually takes an act of will to change language completely and eliminate old usages.

These Scottish clowns are trying to fob off on the culture the responsibility for their own attempts to change the language. They are not following the culture which has changed, they are trying to change it themselves.

“El Senor” means “The Lord,” not “The Mister.” Calling the Lord “el Senor” (plus the tilde) is entirely correct. To say to the contrary betrays a complete ignorance of the Spanish language.

On a lighter note: *Achtung!* The future official language of the United States deserves greater understanding and respect than hitherto displayed.

Just occurred to me–

How does that work out in Gaelic? Or does this particular brand of nuttiness only come to its full fruition in English? (I bet there is little to no self-styled “Celtic Spirituality” in actual Celtic churches.)

Ordinariate Bound

In their foolishness, the Scottish ‘church’ are breaking the 5th Commandment to Honor Father and Mother. (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5: 16, Matthew 15:4, 19:19, Mark 7:10, 19:19, Luke 18:20, Ephesians 6:2) This means – honor and respect both your personal Father and Mother as well as honor the role and office of Father and Mother according to God’s design, and to fulfill these God-ordained roles when you become a husband, wife, father, mother, uncle, aunt, etc.)

Christ reiterated God’s design for male, female, marriage and families in the Gospels. (Matthew 19:4, Mark 10:6, Genesis 1:27, 5:2) Genesis 6 and 7).

Throughout the law and prophets, the concepts of male and female for both animals and humans are clearly delineated. The anointing and grace and gifts of the Holy Spirit are given freely to male and female, slave and free – but so that whatever our state or sex, calling in this life, in God’s power and grace, we may find strength and courage for our souls and work. Joseph was both slave and free, servant and ruler. Deborah became a sage, judge and leader. However, in no case of Scripture, were the sexual roles or male, female, father, mother offices, duties and roles interchanged or revoked. (neither in animal or human)

In NO place in Scripture is there approval of same-sex sexual relations or an exemption on the basis of sexual response, emotions, self-concept or percieved identity.

In fact, all sinful desires are lumped together in I Corinthians 6:9-20, and Romans 1:18-32, and into chapter 2 and throughout Scripture. All sinful desires are to be sacrificed at The Cross.

[BTW, there is an awesome post on The Cross at Fr. Stephen's blog, Glory to God For All Things. The comments quote early historians that the Shekinah glory leaving the Temple and going into the Holy Cross.]

Scripture also indicates particular and valued roles for male and female in the church. The God-spoken concept of the female ‘help-meet’ is never revoked. (Nor is the command to be fruitful and multiply is ever revoked) The women who traveled with Christ and the Disciples were ‘help-meets’ and thus fulfilled their calling and were involved in the ‘ministry’ as they prayed and served, listened and learned, gave, pondered and reflected back what they heard from Christ.

Jesus took women seriously (John 4) cared for, respected, loved, protected and spoke out against the abuse of women and children.

Luke 10:42 – Christ’s own words reveal that females were also to hear from, learn, worship, receive from Christ directly, not just through the male teacher, preacher. Presumably, if both male/female, husband/wife heard the same thing, there was unity. If they still differed, they were to seek the Lord further or seek help from others (James 5:16). The husband has the greater responsibility as Priest of the wife and family. (Ephesians 5:24)

In the Kingdom of Christ, His Church, there is order, peace and all persons, rich, poor, slave, free, male, female, man, woman, child, born, unborn are valued and cherished…without compromising or distorting God’s Word or His Character, His Truth, Love and Life, or His definitions of male, female, father and mother.

“No change in our understanding of God is taking place.”

This is probably true.

When you have no understanding initially, and no understanding subsequently, it is quite possible no change has occurred.

“How does that work out in Gaelic?”

I’d be surprised to learn that the SEC has any churches that worship regularly, or even more than rarely, in Gaelic. Gaelic worship is the redoubt of parts of the “Free Church of Scotland” (a conservative remnant fragment of a 19th-Century split in the [Presbyterian] Church of Scotland) and of most of the even more conservative “Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland,” as well as of the Catholic Church in those Hebridean islands like South Uist and Barra that have remained Catholic; and I suppose there are at least a few Gaelic parishes in the Church of Scotland itself — but not in the SEC.

William Tighe, can you name the ACA bishops who are balking at the ordinariate, if that’s not confidential?

Things are moving here in the States. It’s just that it is all still “behind the scenes”.

Comedy Gold

Here’s one: Alice Linsley got banned from Sarah Hey’s, Matt Kennedy’s, Greg Griffith’s Stand Firm in Faith blog.

From Here.

“For those interested in the on-going debate over whether Adam and Eve are historical or archetypes, there is a discussion going at Stand Firm (a site from which I’m banned).

Commenter Question: “What got you banned?”

Alice: “I was never told, but I suspect it had something to do with my opposition to women priests. Matt Kennedy’s wife was ordained an Episcopal priest.

On the question of WO, Fr. Kennedy is neither catholic nor conservative. On the question of the historicity of Adam and Eve and the age of the Earth, he appears to be confused or in denial.”

SEC = Timothy Leary, Carter Heywood = Bill Hicks.

This comedy routine is stolen from Carter Heywood’s act. Please give credit for where credit is due.

Possibly (oh, heck, probably) my Catholic triumphalism is showing, but I’m currently watching the live streaming coverage of the Pope’s visit to Britain, where he’s just leaving Westminster Hall after his speech there to go to Westminster Abbey for a prayer service, and I’m grinning like a loon at the notion of a German! Pope! shaking hands with the various British Prime Ministers (current and former) and speechifying in the same place as where, for one, the trial of St. Thomas More was held.

Plus, there’s going to be a Pope in Westminster Abbey praying before the shrine of St. Edward the Confessor (in about twenty or thirty minutes’ time). It’s like the Reformation never happened, or something

Met. Hilarion’s words ring true against these goofy spiritually-blind Scots:
“The abyss that exists today divides not so much the Orthodox from the Catholics or the Catholics from the Protestants as it does the ‘traditionalists’ from the ‘liberals’.”

Many are the souls that have been banned from Stand Firm.

This is an abyss that (like Mohammedism) offers no possibility of forgiveness, no small stone bridge by which one may return to grace.

For those who still want to enter into ‘Dialogue’ there, what is left are only Francis Marion guerrilla tactics, covert operations, false identity and such.

By contrast, our dear good host at MCJ exemplifies the grace of God. Few are the souls that have been vanquished from this site. Though we may deserve it, there is plentious mercy here.

“Many are the souls that have been banned from Stand Firm.”

Whitestone, don’t you think Alice Linsley should have gotten a warning, at least? Even if she didn’t deserve to get a warning, she should at least have received a warning.

Maybe it’s a terrible mix-up, a software error or something. It doesn’t seem right that Alice would be banned. Alice should probably e-mail them and let them know that something is preventing her from posting, and then they can fix it. Or maybe something is wrong with Alice’s computer. It just doesn’t make sense that she would be banned. There’s no good reason.

Alice is a big girl. She knows the score.
She was a helicopter pilot/instructor in Saudi before she was an Episcopal priest. She is quite busy with her interests, research and writing and is not weeping, wailing or worrying about such petty matters.

As Anglican heroines go, Alice is one of the finest.

Whitestone,

I’m not worried about Alice. I was just wondering what’s up with Stand Firm.

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+Edmund is correct about ‘El Senor’. Something similar in French, from the ‘Hail Mary’: ‘Je vous salue, Marie; le Seigneur est avec vous.’ So, ‘El Senor’ and ‘Le Seigneur’ mean ‘The Lord’.

Have also, along with Fuinseoig, been watching the coverage of the State Visit of the Pope — the first since the Reformation (1534) — to our s(c)eptic Isle. Am delighted at the warm reception he received in London and the courtesy of our mostly uncommitted politicians and to the Church of England. Well done to them and, above all, to Queen Elizabeth, our Monarch and Head of State. Prayers that the rest of the weekend continues to go well.

Yours (in Anglicanism, but seeking common grace and agreement on our many points of Christianity)
Churchmouse

Hi ChurchMouse,

I thought your post Remembering Rachel was a good autobiographical story.

Thanks so much, TUAD! I so appreciate your thoughts and your comments various on Reformed blogs.

Please feel free to drop by on mine anytime.

Your friend in Christ
Churchmouse

The Pope’s in Britain? Why wasn’t I informed?!!

Seriously, I think the papal visit to the UK will be tremendously beneficial, chiefly because it will minimize the possibility that Rowan Williams will publicly say something.

Too late for that, but what he said recently seemed to be reasonable and sufficiently concise that a non-Anglican cleric could liste all the way through and have an idea what he was talking about.

I’m “in moderation” at T1.9, which is effectively the same as being banned.

One of their resident liberals over there recently claimed the new Engliash translation of the Roman Rite was the work of Italians and Germans, I tried to counter with the facts (it was an international Anglophone workgroup), but of course couldn’t. Let the ignorant wallow in their ignorance, for my money.

Oddly enough, I can post at StandFirm, though it’s not my cup of tea.

Dr. Tighe:

To answer your question, there are no Gaelic (and we mean the Scots variety not the Irish) Parishes per se in SEC, though Stornoway has a requirement for a Gaelic speaker for that charge.

The 1970 (Grey Book) and 1982 (Blue Book)Rites both have Gaelic translations, as does the Prayer Book. There are more than a few native Gaelic speaking Clergy, esp in Argyll and the Isles, but they are becoming rarer as the older ones retire.

Saying that though there are a few hang outs in Scotland predominately in the Evangelical Parishes. St. Thomas. Costorphine and St. Paul’s and St. Georges are the two main Evangelical parishes in my old Diocese of Edinburgh. Heck even my old Anglo-Catholic parish of St.Michael and All Saints now has women clergy (and I can hear several former Rectors rolling in their graves).

Alas the SEC has become as big a joke as the TEC, and I weep for the loss.

Added to that the vast amounts of GBLT clergy in the two main Dioceses of Edinburgh and Glasgow and Galloway, one will fnd why VGR and KJS are more than welcome in the Kingdom of Scotland.

Dr. Tighe.. incidentally I am a McNeil of Barra. Nice to have someone know where it is!!!

Alasdair+

I remember a year or so back (someone can correct me on the timing) that there was a festschrift published in hone of and celebrating the life and work of Massey Shepherd, the Episcopal liturgist who had quite a lot of input in the 1979 revision of the Book of Common Prayer.

One of the more interesting sections of said festschrift was written by Urban T. Holmes (who also had a lot to do with the 1979 coup de theologie (if I may coin a term). Dr. Holmes let the entire Episcopal Cat out of the bag in that article. He confessed that the Standing Committee on Liturgy and Music (SCLM) new that what they were up too was a complete revision of the theology of the Episcopal Church (USA). He admitted that the SCLM hid the purpose of their activities from those not in the know – effectively lying to General Convention about what was going on. Dr. Holmes admitted that the usage of inclusive language was a deliberate attempt at theological revision because it signaled a change in how the SCLM conceived of the Trinitarian formula.

So the SEC might as well come clean as well, we know they are lying. One of their own has admitted it. What galls me about all of this back-room sneaking and canoodling is the utter lack of shame and remorse about how underhanded that group of Revisionists was in their crusade to broker in heresy at ECUSA.

But, I have come to realize that for these people, the concept of shame is irrelevant. They were doing a “greater Good”, and thus the one they worship (whoever that might be) would smile upon and bless their noble work.

What liars, poltroons and bastards these people are!

Of course in the above where I said, strong>”…the Standing Committee on Liturgy and Music (SCLM) new that what they were up too was a complete revision of the theology …”. I, of course, meant KNEW that what they were up to…., etc.

Sheesh!

Ah to heck with it! My corrections are even being munged today. Chalk it up to a bout with pneumonia and please forgive me!!

Allen

Allen,

This:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=worship+points+the+way&x=35&y=9

is the book you have in mind, that is:

*Worship points the way: A celebration of the life and work of Massey Hamilton Shepherd, Jr* (ISBN: 0816404828 / 0-8164-0482-8)

Alasdair+,

Thank you. I have fond memories of my visit to the Uists and Barra in 1987 or 1988. I forget, though, whether Benbecula is mostly Catholic or mostly Protestant.

I have less fond memories of attending services at Old St. Paul’s, Edinburgh, on Epiphany 1980 and having that tiresome loon, its then rector, the ill-famed Richard Holloway, come up to me during the subsequent sherry hour and say how much he admired the Episcopal Church and how he had come to regard WO as a “second-order issue,” although he claimed still to be “cautiously opposed.” And now, after being in Oxford on August 29th I learn that Mary Mags has just got its first curatess, while leaves my friend Fr. Hunwicke’s St. Thomas the Martyr as the only stalwart church in Oxford, with St. Barnabas, Jericho, split right down the middle under a vicar (a SSC vicar!) who has come out bitterly opposed to “the Roman option.”

“…back-room sneaking and canoodling is the utter lack of shame and remorse about how underhanded that group of Revisionists was in their crusade to broker in heresy at ECUSA.”

This sounds like the first Lambeth Conference described by A.S.Haley, the Anglican Curmudgeon in The Ghost of Lambeth Past Returns.

The same political modus operandi and same oligarchical system has run the Anglican Communion for a century and a half.

Look at Jamaica 09 and what is going on in TEO with the new rules coming down the pike (Title IV) to mandate their unbiblical innovations and obliterate any opposition.

Christopher, I’m not surprised you didn’t hear about this, ‘cos you know how low-key and small-scale we like to do things.

Plus, the munchkins in charge of the scheduling seem not to have been capable of organising a piss-up in a brewery, given the flailing about regarding the Mass for Cardinal Newman’s beatification, but so far it seems to be going well. The weather in these islands (after having been very cloudy, grey, overcast, heavy and humid) cleared up wonderfully with the sun making an appearance and actual good weather!

I missed the Mass in Westminster Cathedral this morning (drat and double drat) but I am very much happy that the liturgies (according to the official worship aid) include Latin, and we seem to have dodged the worst of the bad vestments and ‘let’s all include as many traditions as we can pack in!’ kind of thing (the Vigil in Hyde Park is going to be preceded by dance companies, but that’s the kind of thing we can expect, and I’m not anticipating liturgical dance during the rite).

All in all, things look okay

http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/webcast

In the spirit of Mitergate, let me adduce this picture as evidence of a Secret Protestant Plot against women bishops something or other:

http://twitpic.com/2pc4qu

ZOMG!! Why isn’t the Pope wearing a mitre when the Archbishop is? Why wasn’t he permitted to do so? What kind of evidence of prejudice and diktats is this? We demand parity of esteem!

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Christopher — Sincerely sorry that you and other Americans didn’t know about the State Visit. Television coverage was much better (thorough and respectful) than I had anticipated.

I hadn’t intended watching any of it but did end up seeing the Pope’s morning in Edinburgh (an American designed a special papal tartan with colours to represent the Scottish dioceses or parishes — forget which), part of the Westminster Abbey service (including the very warm welcome from the crowds nearby), part of his address to MPs in Westminster Hall (across the street at one end of the Palace of Westminster) and part of this morning’s Mass at Westminster Cathedral, including the Pope and the youth groups afterward.

Fuinseoig — the Mass this morning was brilliant — Eucharistic Prayer and a few of the other prayers said or sung in Latin (1968 Novus Ordo Latin), but the real highlight was when the Pope walked out of the cathedral to hundreds (probably thousands) of youngsters from every diocese in England. Wow — you would have thought they were glimpsing a rock star — screams of delight which brought real smiles to BXVI’s face. His talk to them was the most spontaneous that I have heard him give on this trip. Although he had his speech typed up, he looked up from it most of the time, making eye contact with them. The kids were so energised, and I think that he was, too. He told them how important prayer was and to listen for Christ’s direction in their lives and careers (I’m paraphrasing — obviously, it was more eloquent). He told them how important it was to make time for daily prayer and — silence. Brilliant talk.

Then, he spoke with a young African (now living in the UK) youth leader (probably a university student, not sure), a chap named Pascal. (Pascal had made a short speech before the Pope spoke, asking him to bless a modern candlestick which would be used at various youth services around the country.) The Pope blessed Pascal and shook hands with a number of the other teens and posed for a group picture with a few others who were on the steps of the cathedral. The BBC commentators (Huw Edwards and a monsignor) voiced their surprise at how much time the Pope was spending with the youngsters. Apparently, it was only supposed to be a brief appearance. (Mass in Hyde Park was this evening, and I think that many of them were planning on being there.)

So, a good show and, despite all the adverse publicity and mess-ups in planning, it’s good that he came. I also think that he really enjoyed being here. A lot of people will have wonderful memories of his visit, and he did a lot for evangelism amongst Catholics, truly (re)kindling their faith.

BBC coverage of Cardinal Newman’s beatification starts at 9:20 tomorrow morning (Sunday).

As for why +++Cantuar is wearing his mitre and the Pope is not, it’s probably a matter of protocol as they are in a C of E church?

churchmouse, oh yeah, try to pretend it’s all like rules and rubrics and stuff.

As we saw during the shocking episode of jack-booted repression by the iron-fist of Canterbury (you have no idea how hard I’m laughing as I type that last) when the Presiding Bishop was cruelly and most unChristianly banned from wearing her mitre and carrying her crozier as she processed into Southwark Cathedral to give her invited lecture at the service there, there is a deep and perfidious plot behind all this!

EWTN, available on most of your cable services, is running nearly every minute of the Pope’s visit: don’t rely on C-SPAN or the regular media. That speech from Pascal, in front of the youth, was so touching. He was so energized, so just plain jazzed, that I got a little choked up. I wish the Pope could depart a little more from his prepared remarks, but he is making speech after speech after speech, and he’s 83, fercryinout, and I guess it would be hard to wing it.

Only one bad vestment, a blue stole with heart outlines, so far.

NPR said this morning that 10K people were out in protest, of course without mentioning the hundreds of thousands out in joyful unity and support.

We do love our German Shepherd!

I forgot to say that Rowan Williams has the nicest speaking voice, darn it. If he had something worthwhile to say, it would be a lovely voice to say it in.

Well, I haven’t watched the speech to the youth, but I’m still reeling over his speech on the proper relations of church and government, using St. Thomas More as his point of departure. Of course, the speech was given in the hall where St. Thomas was tried, which makes it all the more incredible.

And then there is the beatification on English soil of a high-profile convert from Anglicanism to Catholicism.

Even The Guardian has been behaving itself, last I checked. I’m sure that can’t last, though.

Meant to note: The Holy Father is clearly on an evangelistic trip; should he managed to install a decent bench of bishops, you don’t know what might happen.

Alice is misinformed

I didn’t ban her. There are, oh hundreds of people who are vehemently against WO and say so on SF…including the other contributors (Greg, Sarah, David, and Jackie). So, while it might make her feel better to think she was persecuted by SF for her views on WO, that is simply fiction. She was banned, I believe, though I did not do it, because she could not resist inserting the issue of WO into threads that had nothing to do with it and the pattern persisted after she was warned.