There must be alot of Muslims in SC who want to buy empty churches. After all, KJS wants to protect the heritage of those dead Piskies.

So did Bishop Kate sign off on the sale of the building in Binghamton to the Muslims at 1/3 market value? How will that play in a SC court when she claims to be protecting TEC property?

CJ: “Is Mark Lawrence going to get run? No doubt whatsoever. Does South Carolina have some difficult choices ahead? Yup. Will they make the correct call?

That remains to be seen.”

I don’t know what you mean by the right call. But I think the right call is for DioSC to secede from TEc. Can or will +Lawrence do so? I doubt it. Did’t he make a promise not to do so, so he could get the consents he needed?

Now, here’s the thing: this overreach of the PB changes the polity (peace and blessings be upon it) for the entire TEC.

Including the liberal bishops, who last I knew, liked running their own little fiefdoms.

Do they not care, as long as they are left alone, and only conservatives are harassed? Or are they too frightened?

You’d think someone would bleat a protest.

God have mercy.

Is there something she is doing with this overreach of authority that would constitute a canonical offense? Maybe it is time for the CP Bishops to offer up more than a silent witness and show some “solidarity”. If they don’t, Bishop Lawrence will be left to twist in the wind. If this happens then it will demonstrate that the “partnership” of the CP Bishops was in name only.

“At present both of us have signaled a willingness to continue the conversation even if it requires phone conversations from vastly different area codes.”

Wonder what the area code for Hell is.

Zach, I used to think that as well. Here’s the thing. The bishops of the Episcopal Church by and large are not leaders. They are not alpha males (or even Alpha males). They are middle managers. That is to say the closest approximation to a piskie bishop in modern culture is Ricky Gervais or Steve Carell in ‘The Office’.

Episcopal bishops like to tell other people what to do. They also want to be told what to do. They need and desire a higher authority. It is the mark of how many of them have abandoned the faith once received that instead of looking to God, Scripture or tradition to shape their conduct, they seek authority from the Presiding Bishop. She has replaced God in their lives as the source of their authority.

I wonder if the Apostolic Nuncio or the Vatican Secretary of State have ever hired legal counsel in a diocese to do anything like this.

Be pretty funny if they hadn’t.

This is living into the tension ends up. This is what happens when you try to teach the kinetic and the phlogiston theories of heat in the same school. People can’t say “The Episcopal Church teaches definitively that: A” and “The Episcopal Church Teaches definitively that: anti-A” without there being a fight over it; a fight that will only end when one opinion is excluded.

It is too bad that Bishop Salmon and those who supported him in his “let’s not rock the boat and play nice with 815″ stance did not see fit to remove the accession clauses in the diocesan C & C as the Diocese of Pittsburgh had done.

Then the extension of the adjournment date for this convention would have some purpose. The implication of further action might serve as a deterrent to the lawlessness of the PB and her sycophants. AS it stands, this extnesion of the adjournment date is mere drama.

My prayers are with +Lawrence and the diocese, but I am glad I don’t have the emotional stake in these proceeding that I once had.

Dale Matson, of course it’s a canonical violation. Much of what she’s done over the past few years has been. The problem is that she and her faction also control the mechanisms which might be used to sanction such violations. They are judge and jury.

Dale Matson: “Maybe it is time for the CP Bishops to offer up more than a silent witness and show some “solidarity”. If they don’t, Bishop Lawrence will be left to twist in the wind. If this happens then it will demonstrate that the “partnership” of the CP Bishops was in name only.”

CP Bishops, including +Lawrence, are only reaping what they have sown.

An Institutionalist-Enabler of TEc’s soul-destroying heresy and apostasy will reap what they have enabled. Then they’ll cry and whine about it. And they’ll seek to gain sympathy for their co-dependence.

Boo-hoo. Boo-hoo.

I’ll take the opposite side of the predictions being made by many orthodox folks. This isn’t enuf for the PB to try to depose +Lawrence. Asserting some independence isn’t enuf; too much risk that a lot of institutionalist bishops wouldn’t go along. Last thing 815 wants is a premature, failed attempt at deposition. They will want to completely and finally crush the inventive argument that TEC is a voluntary association of independent dioceses and can postpone taking the offensive in SC indefinitely.

Besides, with the SC decision now final there’s no property in it for TEC anyway.

The main purpose of TEC’s action has been to secure, not property, but precedent, to deter others from following the example of present dissenters. +Lawrence’s strategy is so odd that they don’t have to worry about it catching on.

Well, you hire a woman to be the Presiding Oceanographer and you takes your chances!

All you members of the House of Clowns – sorry, Bishops – see what destroying the Book of Common Prayer has wrought? See what tolerating Bishops Pike and Spong and others of their ilk has brought you to?

You stand foresworn on your oaths for not “driving away all erroneous and strange doctrine”. You stand between Heaven and Earth as Christ’s Apostles in this age – yet you do not seem to understand that an angry God will judge you severally for the actions (and lack thereof) of your anointed heads and hands. You were given that pastoral staff not only to lead the sheep – but to smite the wolves!

The Little Myrmidon,
“Wonder what the area code for Hell is.” Come on, give me a tougher one than that. the area code is 666.

“Wonder what the area code for Hell is.” Come on, give me a tougher one than that. the area code is 666.

That was my first reaction, too, Dale. But the more I think about it, the more I suspect its probably a 1-800 number. The first call is free.

On a personal, somewhat off-topic note, Her Episcopo Highness, KJS herself, was way out here in Grand Island, Nebraska Friday morning. Can’t imagine how she ended up way out here in the sticks with us rubes. Maybe she got lost. Grand Island is majority Catholic and Lutheran. The Catholic cathedral is here. The only Episcopo church is St. Stephen’s. Been here a long time and has a very tiny congregation which is rapidly dwindling. However, was cutting my toenails, a Friday ritual, so missed her visit. She did get a big pic on the front page of the local rag. Should I ask the Catholic bishop to exorcise the city? Anyone?

DJ,
Just make sure KJS didn’t get any of your toenails. If she did, there’s trouble afoot!

It finally dawns on me that KJS is actually striving for something she doesn’t *think* she wants. That is for people to leave ECUSA. Her mother left to become a layman in the Orthodox Church. This was very frustrating to her, but her full time job seems to be getting others to do it as well. Making a (Small-o)orthodox Anglican *stay* in her organization is something she has no education in doing, no interest in learning. The fact is SHE is the reason for people like her mother and others who have wised up (Would that there were more) are leaving. There can’t be a more perverse thing here. Something vested and decorated as a church, “Keeping” feast days and seasons, mouthing old platitudes while at the same time denying truth as vigorously as possible. Selling a church building to Muslims. They might as well decide what corner of the buildings they have now will be fit for a minaret; the “Faith” is already being preached there.

Toral -

Your comment is reasonable, and if you were dealing with a reasonable situation, you would be correct. I’m afraid neither Bishop Kate, nor, indeed, the Episcopal Church are well-connected to reason.

The main purpose of TEC’s action has been to secure, not property, but precedent, to deter others from following the example of present dissenters. +Lawrence’s strategy is so odd that they don’t have to worry about it catching on.

Agree w. Toral. Even from Schori’s point of view, this seems to be a tactical error. Even if she allows Lawrence to let parishes leave amicably, congregations in other dioceses under liberal bishops will realize their bishops will not necessarily let them do the same. So she doesn’t really gain anything in the area of intimidation (except for Howe?), and ends up looking like a belligerent jerk.

Hmmmm. Selling church buildings to Muslims? As I said in my previous post, the only Episcopo church in Grand Island, Nebraska is St. Stephens, with a small, aging and dwindling congregation. Yet, the Grand Poobah, KJS, makes a stop here. We have a contingent of Somali immigrants in Grand Island, they are almost 100% Muslim, St. Stephens in a large old building, the Somalis would like to find a place to have a mosque……well, slap my a** and call me Sally! KJS might have been checking out a possible future real estate deal!

Dear Sally er…Don Janousek (Sorry the name doesn’t work for me). and the other part….forget that too.
By the way, Why did they name the place “Grand Island”? It is not an Island.

Do they still have mega-Christmas decorations in Grand Island? I have a story about that, but will spare ya’ll.

Dale Matson: The name was given to the place by French trappers and fur traders who came into the area long ago. There is a minor channel of the Platte River a few miles upstream which can be said to create an “island” of sorts. However, the answer to why the French chose that name has the same answer as why do the French rarely bathe and why do the French like really stinky cheese – Je ne sais quoi.

“Come on, give me a tougher one than that. the area code is 666.”

I knew that. Really. I knew that. I was being rhetorical. Really.

I understand +Mark Lawrence is going to be attending the Global South-to-South Encounter next month (as an observer and perhaps a witness for what’s been going on in TEO). That’s just gotta rub KJS the wrong way! The Standing Committee needs to be ready to defend the diocese while he’s out of the country.

Connie:

Not only are you right about Messrs. Lawrence and Howe rubbing that Antichrist KS-J the wrong way, I wouldn’t be surprised if she tries JUST THEN to have them deposed, barred from their rectories and offices, and God Knows what else…

[Somebody who's so utterly EVIL like her as to be glad to do business with one of Satan's twin-religions (Islâm and Humanism {the latter most often coming out as Communism!}) is surely such that NOTHING can be "put past her"... Particularly given that she would take their money, even if but a fraction of a place's value, over that of Christians!!!]

South Carolina is screwed. Why? Because they’re Episcopalians. Pure and simple. What Katherine Bejeebers Schlamori says goes. Just like what Nancy Pizzarosi says goes. Why can’t you people just knuckle under?

I understand +Mark Lawrence is going to be attending the Global South-to-South Encounter next month

He will be deposed before he returns.

The Global South are not in communion with ECUSA. We all agree with that.

Canon IV.9 of ECUSA states:

(ii) by formal admission into any religious body not in communion with the same

Clearly , attending the Global South event means Lawrence will be formally admitted into a religious body not in communion with ECUSA. Therefore he will be deposed.

Sinner,
“Clearly , attending the Global South event means Lawrence will be formally admitted into a religious body not in communion with ECUSA. Therefore he will be deposed.”
Attending is not the same thing as being admitted. He is already a member of the same WWAC as the Global South members. I do hope he will be given voice in addition to seat. Nothing like someone from within TEC offering them some facts on the ground to fire them up. Who knows, it could be a speech by him that forces the ABC to fish instead of cut bait.

Is this not the juncture where Bishop Lawrence issues an inhibition on the Squid ?

Chris, I think the three words that +Lawrence has for @#*Schori should be slightly different:

“Bring it, b__ch.”

So the Schori “Curia” strikes again.

Attending is not the same thing as being admitted. He is already a member of the same WWAC as the Global South members. I do hope he will be given voice in addition to seat. Nothing like someone from within TEC offering them some facts on the ground to fire them up. Who knows, it could be a speech by him that forces the ABC to fish instead of cut bait.

Is this not the juncture where Bishop Lawrence issues an inhibition on the Squid ?

What good would that do? Now, an injunction? you might be talking!

Although the state constitution does say:

No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.

Can’t that be used to keep the wiccan heretic out?

In all the comments I see an attitude of resignation to the oppression and outright thefts and malicious mischief of the presiding bish and such stalwarts as that fool in Central New York, Mr. Gladstone Goose, and the pentultimate fools of the california appellate court whose own member in his diddenting opinion pointed out that they couldn’t do what they had just done. The simple solution to all these asses is to come upside their heads with the usual 2×4 in the form of lawsuits successfully charging them with the felonies and thefts and outright mischief they have indulged in. When Mrs. Jefferts/Schori has to spend most of her time testifying and when she and Mr. Beers get jury judgements against them and against the Episcopal church for the damage they have done and when the Episcopal church national office has been reduced to a rented suite in a defunct shopping center, then and only then will true justice have been served.Forget bishops to the rescue. Most of the ones I have known have all been pusilanimous little ninnies whose diapers needed changing. Laity are the answer. they are bullet proof compared to clergy and like david when he slew Goliath. have a unique ability to fling stones at overbloated heads. I believe it is time for that to happen

Despite the bleats of progressive Piskies about the horrors of centralized Romanism (“polity!”), it’s obvious they’re copacetic with Kate getting her Pope-ette on.