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Bob Duncan and Henry Scriven are going to Lambeth:
Bishops Robert Duncan and Henry Scriven confirmed today that they will be attending both the Global Anglican Future Conference in Jordan and Jerusalem in June and the Lambeth Conference of Bishops in Kent, England, this July and August.
"After consulting with the people of Pittsburgh and our friends around the globe, we have come to the conclusion that it is necessary for us to be present at both gatherings," said Bishop Robert Duncan.
Both bishops believe it is important that the diocese be represented throughout the Lambeth Conference, if for no other reason than to provide an alternative perspective on the situation in The Episcopal Church. "Those who accuse us of abandoning the Anglican Communion will certainly be present and vocal. It is important for us to be able to respond directly to their claims about the situation in The Episcopal Church and our place in the Communion," added Bishop Duncan. As with the Global Anglican Future Conference, both Pittsburgh bishops will also work to strengthen missionary partnerships with bishops from every corner of the world.
The risk in their going, though, is that without Akinola, Orombi and Kolini to exert some pressure at the primatial level, the odds of +Iker and +Duncan being able to engineer a takeover of the agenda are slim at best. Of course, we don’t know that that’s even their intention, which raises the question: Short forcing Lambeth to deal with the problem, is there a point at all for them to go?
I've said over and over that the only reason conservative bishops should attend Lambeth is to demand that the American/Canadian question be settled, will Dr. Williams or nil he, and to walk out of the Conference and get on with the work of the Gospel if any more delays are suggested.
But is that likely to happen? That's hard to say but I wouldn't put any money on it. Right now, I see three possible scenarios for how this thing might play out in the next few months and none of them are particularly encouraging.
(1) At GAFCON, the conservative bishops and primates who have stated that they will not attend Lambeth are convinced to change their minds. The conservatives go to Lambeth, present a united front, declare that the US and Canada are not in compliance with the Windsor Report or anything else and demand that the Canadian/American problem be solved right then and there or the conservatives will call it a meeting.
Faced with the destruction of the Anglican Communion in front of the international media, Dr. Williams informs the Americans and Canadians that until such time as the entire Anglican world declares them in compliance with the Windsor Report, he has no choice but to ask them to leave and to suspend them from Anglican affairs until such time as they are declared in compliance.
Likelihood - Negligible. Dr. Williams and the rest of the Anglican establishment have spent the last five years either whitewashing the evasions of Church House and 815 or avoiding making any kind of decision at all(see, well, the Windsor Report). There's no reason to suggest that this year will be any different.
(2) Dr. Williams calls the conservative bluff and suggests more yammering. The conservatives, including the Americans and Canadians, walk out, the Anglican world splits apart and a strong, vigorous conservative Anglican body is formed centered around Abuja, Kampala or Sydney.
Likelihood - Given that Bob Duncan doesn't sound like a man who thinks that an Anglican split is on the table and given that, despite Cardinal Kasper's encouraging words of the other day, Rome apparently still believes that Canterbury is the only Anglican game in town, this might be more likely than (1) but only marginally.
(3) The Anglican Communion continues to muddle through. Some conservatives attend Lambeth, others don't and the Conference is basically a waste of time papered over with minority reports and open letters. After the Conference, an amorphous Opposition gradually springs up which continues to attract parishes and the odd diocese or two which will outrage of Church House and 815,
Both of whom will essentially begin officially treating the Windsor Report and the various primates statements as the toilet paper we all know they have always considered them to be. In other words, nothing changes at all except for more same-sex marriages here and there and another homosexual bishop or two.
Likelihood - Probable. Which is where this stops being primarily a diocesan or parochial matter and starts being a personal one. I spent the first 48 years of my earthly existence in the Anglican tradition so walking away has not been as easy as some people think it should be and for that reason, I have given it many more chances than I probably should have.
But faced with the prospect of this business dragging on indefinitely, I, for one, plan to finally call a halt. If conservatives will not ACT this year, they will never act. And if they do not act this year, the possibility of their ever acting at all becomes progressively more difficult even if they finally decide to.
Conservatives know what they need to do. So if they don't do anything this year, if I'm asked to once again "wait a litle longer," I'm done and I suspect a great many other loyal Anglicans will finally be as well. When conservatives finally do get around to acting, if they ever do, they may find that there are a whole lot fewer people left in their pews.
It's now or never.

Submitted by VaAnglican
at 5/7/2008 6:00:49 PM| Chris, I think Lambeth is just one year too early, because in fact GC 2009 will once and for all end all pretense that the Episcopal Church is at all Anglican. It will expose the American bishops as dishonest and the supposed "compliance" with Windsor a sham. There will be approval for same-sex blessings, major alterations to the 1979 book,and undoubtedly another gay bishop soon enough to punctuate it all. Lambeth will not matter, either to the orthodox or to the revisionists. Rowan will be of no consequence, and the schism will move ahead on its own after Lambeth. The only way to stop it will be for the primates to act, which is entirely possible once their noses have been rubbed in it by GC 09. |

Submitted by Christopher Johnson
at 5/7/2008 6:13:05 PM| Unfortunately, I heard exactly the same thing in 2006. |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/7/2008 6:15:58 PM| "The Anglican Communion continues to muddle through. Some conservatives attend Lambeth, others don't and the Conference is basically a waste of time papered over with minority reports and open letters." I consider this occuring as a high-probability event. In fact, GAFCON may also turn out to be a muddled affair with a form of words document too. I hope this turns out not to be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if GAFCON painted with indistinct veiled lines instead of clear, dark, bold-face lines. My personal take is that you need strong, clear, simple unambiguous statements and actions to escape the black hole of ecumenical heresy and apostasy in order to reach towards the Light and to also be the Light in a broken, fallen world. |

Submitted by Whitestone
at 5/7/2008 7:09:58 PM| VaAnglican, Sufficient evidence and time has shown that TEC HOB et al are liars, and Windsor compliance, Windsor bishops, etc. are shams. There have been SSBs in TEC and the UMC - as we read, a public one immediately following their GenCon. TEC only has pockets of orthodox Christianity remaining. NOW is the time for each Christ following individual and each leader to act. There is a great theological divide between TEC and orthodoxy. Read Wm. Witt's comments on SFIF re Kasper's question. |

Submitted by Alice C. Linsley
at 5/7/2008 8:03:17 PM| Bishops Duncan and Iker will probably bring a statement or resolution from GAFCON to Lambeth. They would be the best persons to do so. God bless them both! |

Submitted by Bill Channon
at 5/7/2008 8:27:58 PM| TUaD, I agree with your comment, but your second paragraph is too depressing to contemplate. |

Submitted by Doug Stein
at 5/7/2008 8:49:59 PMMy personal take is that you need strong, clear, simple unambiguous statements and actions to escape the black hole of ecumenical heresy and apostasy in order to reach towards the Light and to also be the Light in a broken, fallen world. Right on! Where's Puddleglum to stamp out the drugged fire when you need him? Maybe Bishop Duncan is planning to contribute his eyebrows to the cause. I'm sure singed hair is as bracing as burnt Marsh-wiggle :-) He and Bishop Iker are the right ones to bear witness to the truth. |

Submitted by Robert Horn
at 5/7/2008 9:45:12 PM| There is a reason for these godly bishops to attend Lambeth. It takes away from TEC claims of "abandonment of communion" when the communion issues the appropriate invitation and credentials. |

Submitted by craig
at 5/7/2008 9:57:42 PM| I wouldn't be so quick to say Rome is on Canterbury's side here. First of all, Rowan Williams got all of 20 minutes of the Holy Father's time. That's gotta hurt. And in the linked article, Rome is sending the head of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples -- the body in charge of missionary work, not ecumenism -- to Lambeth. Subtle, but Canterbury cannot fail to notice the degradation. |

Submitted by StJulian
at 5/7/2008 10:30:02 PM| Rome is sending the head of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples -- the body in charge of missionary work, not ecumenism They have more faith than I do, for sure. |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/7/2008 10:54:44 PM| Bill Channon: "TUaD, I agree with your comment, but your second paragraph is too depressing to contemplate." Well, I just read some comments on SFIF on the Cardinal Kasper thread and they seem to confirm my 2nd paragraph above. (1) "We had the privilege and honor of lunch with ++Venables on Sunday. He has no intention of leaving the Anglican Communion or of alienating the same. It is his intent to offer Christian refuge to fellow Christians; something that TEC has abandoned. His offering us a place to put Christ first, and then be able to have open study and discussion of secondary issues is like an iceberg in the desert. We are blessed with the strength and love of this outreaching hand from the Southern Cone." Brother Leroy on 5-7 at 9:11pm (2) "What I believe the GS has said is that they intend to remain fully a part of the Anglican Communion, but will seek to redefine it. I don’t think that equates with them “leaving” the Anglican Communion." James W. on 5-7 at 10:11pm
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Submitted by anonagain
at 5/7/2008 11:08:10 PM| Gay fill-in preacher (since rector Jeff Lee cut out to be bishop in chicago), rants and raves about poor Gene Robinson.. they have quite a network.. http://www.stthomasmedina.org/Sermons/2007-08/sermon20080504.pdf |

Submitted by ann r
at 5/8/2008 12:36:00 AM| I agree with Robert Horn. Ir is essential these bishops attend and fulfill their duties to the letter. When they actually do move to another province with their dioceses it should be as diocesan bishops with full relationship to Canterbury. It's the teflon coating for lawsuits. The Global South bishops don't need that, but +Iker, +Duncan et al. do. |

Submitted by Sasha
at 5/8/2008 1:10:12 AM| Let those prancers like Williams, Schori-Jefferts et al have their show; however, I'm glad to now be thoroughly RID of all "Canterbury" dross!!! I'll never darken the door of an "Anglican" church (unless it be one of the Continuers, where I'll be quite happy to go!) again as long as yours truly lives. So be it, Amjíñ!!!! Meanwhile, Mr. Channon, I've yet to hear back from you about my challenge to your self-righteousness in another thread on this website... |

Submitted by InNewark
at 5/8/2008 7:04:31 AM| My impression is that what the GS/GGAFCON primates have in mind is something like a marital separation, where both parties lead separate lives, in different places, but do not go so far as to actually dissolve the marriage. This would (at least in theory) allow both sides to get on with their own mission, while creating the possibility of reunification later on.
Right now,that prospect seems absurd, but things may look very different in 10 or 20 or 100 years. While the CofE looks pretty bad right now, it has a more viable orthodox wing than TEC. We don't know who will succeed Rowan Williams, but it looks as if the next ABC will be picked by the church, rather than by politicians. |

Submitted by Katherine
at 5/8/2008 7:43:30 AM| I don't have a problem with a separation as outlined by InNewark. Perhaps the CofE is not irredeemable, like TEC; it's till possible. We MUST have formal legal separation in the US because things have gone way too far, but the African churches still have some maneuvering room so long as they are not actively participating in apostasy. |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/8/2008 7:55:05 AM| I think you're right InNewark. In fact, if you are correct in venturing that the GS/GAFCON primates are pushing for a "marital separation" with eventual reunification as an end goal, then I will have to stand up and loudly clap a rousing ovation for the Archbishop of Canterbury for his brilliant tactics and strategy in playing and manipulating the Anglican game. You see, the very worst thing that could have happened to dear Rowan would be if there was a formal split in the Anglican Communion during his tenure as ABC. But that won't happen. Oh sure, it's quite embarrassing that this Lambeth won't be well attended, but so what, that can be rationalized as pouting fundamentalist Anglican bishops who can't and won't play nicely with others. If I was the ABC I'd laugh my head off silly with hysterically happy giddiness if all the GS/GAFCON primates wanted was a marital separation. Oh I'd still make the same serious noises of grave concern in public about all that's going on with the usual solemnity, but at home I'd do the endzone touchdown dancing jig. For I maintained my theological convictions as an affirming Anglo-Catholic, the Manchester Report will start to take effect, I still get the TEc bankroll, it looks like I'm doing something with the commissioning of the ultimate can-kicking farce called the Anglican Draft Covenant which will extend far past my tenure as ABC, and all the provinces are still in relationship with the See of Canterbury. Oh Happy Day! I'd chuckle quite happily at the memory of running to attend TEc's New Orleans HOB meeting when they requested to meet with me. And when my fellow archbishops requested an all-primates meeting post 9/30/07 to adjudicate compliance as expected and stipulated per the Dar Es Salaam Communique, I flatly refused them. I dissed those agitators who tried to force my hand. And all they want is a "marital separation"? Hallelujah! Have fun in GAFCON and let's trade letters. Want to walk out at Lambeth? Go ahead. You're still in relationship with Canterbury. GLBT ordinations will still go on. GLBT blessings will still go on. Border crossings will still go on. Lawsuits and depositions will still go on. But so what! I, the ABC, still technically have an intact Anglican Communion! It didn't formally split during my tenure! Give it to the next guy to handle these bunch of unruly children who can't play nicely in the Elizabethan Settlement sandbox. |

Submitted by Katherine
at 5/8/2008 8:47:00 AM| If the goal were to rub Williams' nose in it, then your analysis would be right on, TU&D. The goal, however, is to have some sort of renewed Anglican body emerge from the ashes. They aren't receiving communion together now. They aren't going to go play little small-group roundtable games at Lambeth. I doubt very much that Ft. Worth and Pittsburgh will sit for three weeks of small-group games. The wounds are there and they're out in the open. As to TEC, it's gone, no matter what happens at Lambeth. Remaining believers in that body have fought the good fight. At some point they're going to need to wake up and walk out -- next summer at the latest, even for the die-hard holdouts. |

Submitted by InNewark
at 5/8/2008 9:26:04 AM| TUAD--I don't think the equation Rowan Williams=See of Canterbury is correct. Williams will be gone in a few years, if not right after Lambeth (an English friend tells me that there are rumors of this). WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WILL REPLACE HIM. At this juncture, it is certainly right and proper to refuse to deal with the current ABC. Cutting oneself off forever from the ancient See where our church was founded is another matter entirely -- a very dangerous step for a church that claims to uphold Tradition. |

Submitted by Perpetua
at 5/8/2008 1:49:58 PM| I agree with Robert Horn and Ann R. We should support these godly bishops for attending Lambeth and taking away from TEC any claims of "abandonment of communion". Since the communion is now defined by Lambeth attendance, these bishops must attend and fulfill their duties to the letter so that they can move to another province with their dioceses as diocesan bishops with full relationship to Canterbury. We don't want them to loose the lawsuits that 815 will inevitably file against them. |

Submitted by Perpetua
at 5/8/2008 2:01:21 PM| And one more thought -- the Anglican Church in England is dying. So Canterbury won't be the locus of communion much longer. Read this story from the Times today: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3890080.ece |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/8/2008 5:39:12 PM| "If the goal were to rub Williams' nose in it, then your analysis would be right on, TU&D." Katherine, I never said that was the goal. My comment above was perverse applause to the ABC for having played both revisionist TEc and the GS Bishops so well. "The goal, however, is to have some sort of renewed Anglican body emerge from the ashes." A "Marital Separation" is a terrific way to achieve the goal of a renewed Anglican body emerging from the ashes. A "marital separation" of undeterminate length is just the right prescription of hope for parishes like this one: Upper South Carolina: St. Christopher’s, Spartanburg Splits, Rector & Vestry Majority Resign and More From The All Is Well™ File In The Diocese Of Upper South Carolina InNewark: "Cutting oneself off forever from the ancient See where our church was founded is another matter entirely -- a very dangerous step for a church that claims to uphold Tradition." Oh absolutely. Therefore, a "marital separation" is entirely what's needed. ++Venables and the other GS bishops completely understand the need to maintain a formal connection to the See of Canterbury in order to uphold precious Anglican Tradition. There is so much hope offered by a "marital separation" of indeterminate length. All Anglicans should just continue waiting, hoping, and praying; remembering that the all important thing is to worship together. Meanwhile .... |

Submitted by LP
at 5/8/2008 8:04:48 PM| The genuine conservatives and orthodox HAVE ALREADY ACTED!!! They did this nearly 30 years ago with the formation of the Continuing Church movement. The institutionalists -- no matter how "conservative" they claim to be -- who remain wedded to Canturbury aren't going to do anything. Remember, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ANGLICAN COMMUNION. There are just a bunch of national churches with a historic connection who have no central authority, no common discipline, no shared standards of doctrine, no mutual accountability, NOTHING. "The Anglican Communion" as currently constituted is meaningless as anything other than an informal fellowship of independent churches which have a shared background. And which have increasingly less in common in what they teach, believe and practice. It is neither Anglican nor a Communion. Thus those institutionalists who continue to compromise the faith just to remain wedded to Canturbury are selling their birthright for a mess of pottage -- they are compromising the faith and getting, in return, NOTHING. Well, nothing except tea with the Queen every 10 years. Genuine Anglican Christianity continues to be practiced in some of those national jurisdictions. In others -- like PEcUSA -- it has been abandoned. But genuine Anglican Christianity in America still exists... and exists where it has for 30 years. Just not in PEcUSA. The question confronting those -- like CJ -- who have come to recognize and abohor PEcUSA's apostasy (from not just Anglicanism but from Christianity itself) is NOT whether or not they wish to stay in PEcUSA to remain Anglican -- it is, rather, whether or not they want to leave PEcUSA in order to RETURN to Anglicanism.
pax, |

Submitted by LP
at 5/8/2008 8:23:11 PM| I wonder... would people like to see something like this come out of GAFCON for America and Canada?
We affirm that the Church of our fathers, sustained by the most Holy Trinity, lives yet, and that we, being moved by the Holy Spirit to walk only in that way, are determined to continue in the Catholic Faith, Apostolic Order, Orthodox Worship and Evangelical Witness of the traditional Anglican Church, doing all things necessary for the continuance of the same. We are upheld and strengthened in this determination by the knowledge that many provinces and dioceses of the Anglican Communion have continued steadfast in the same Faith, Order, Worship and Witness, and that they continue to confine ordination to the priesthood and the episcopate to males. We rejoice in these facts and we affirm our solidarity with these provinces and dioceses. The Dissolution of Anglican and Episcopal Church Structure We affirm that the Anglican Church of Canada and the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America, by their unlawful attempts to alter Faith, Order and Morality have departed from Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Need to Continue Order in the Church We affirm that all former ecclesiastical governments, being fundamentally impaired by the schismatic acts of lawless Councils, are of no effect among us, and that we must now reorder such godly discipline as may strengthen us in the continuation of our common life and witness. The Invalidity of Schismatic Authority We affirm that the claim of any such schismatic person or body to act against any Church member, clerical or lay, for his witness to the whole Faith is with no authority of Christ's true Church, and any such inhibition, deposition or discipline is without effect and is absolutely null and void. The Need for Principles and a Constitution We affirm that fundamental principles (doctrinal, moral, and constitutional) are necessary for the present, and that a Constitution (redressing the defects and abuses of our former governments) should be adopted, whereby the Church may be soundly continued. The Continuation of Communion with Canterbury We affirm our continued relations of communion with the See of Canterbury and all faithful parts of the Anglican Communion. WHEREFORE, with a firm trust in Divine Providence, and before Almighty God and all the company of heaven, we solemnly affirm, covenant and declare that we, lawful and faithful members of the Anglican and Episcopal Churches, shall now and hereafter continue and be the unified continuing Anglican Church in North America, in true and valid succession thereto.
In order to carry out these declarations, we set forth these fundamental Principles for our continued life and witness. PREFACE In the firm conviction that "we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ," and that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved," and acknowledging our duty to proclaim Christ's saving Truth to all peoples, nations and tongues, we declare our intention to hold fast the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Faith of God. We acknowledge that rule of faith laid down by St. Vincent of Lerins: "Let us hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all, for that is truly and properly Catholic." I. PRINCIPLES OF DOCTRINE The Nature of the Church We gather as people called by God to be faithful and obedient to Him. As the Royal Priestly People of God, the Church is called to be, in fact, the manifestation of Christ in and to the world. True religion is revealed to man by God. We cannot decide what is truth, but rather (in obedience) ought to receive, accept, cherish, defend and teach what God has given us. The Church is created by God, and is beyond the ultimate control of man. The Church is the Body of Christ at work in the world. She is the society of the baptized called out from the world: In it, but not of it. As Christ's faithful Bride, she is different from the world and must not be influenced by it. The Essentials of Truth and Order We repudiate all deviation of departure from the Faith, in whole or in part, and bear witness to these essential principles of evangelical Truth and apostolic Order: Holy Scriptures The Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as the authentic record of God's revelation of Himself, His saving activity, and moral demands - a revelation valid for all men and all time. The Creeds The Nicene Creed as the authoritative summary of the chief articles of the Christian Faith, together with the "Apostles' Creed, and that known as the Creed of St. Athanasius to be "thoroughly received and believed" in the sense they have had always in the Catholic Church. Tradition The received Tradition of the Church and its teachings as set forth by "the ancient catholic bishops and doctors," and especially as defined by the Seven Ecumenical Councils of the undivided Church, to the exclusion of all errors, ancient and modern. Sacraments The Sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation, the Holy Eucharist, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, Penance and Unction of the Sick, as objective and effective signs of the continued presence and saving activity of Christ our Lord among His people and as His covenanted means for conveying His grace. In particular, we affirm the necessity of Baptism and the Holy Eucharist (where they may be had) -- Baptism as incorporating us into Christ (with its completion in Confirmation as the "seal of the Holy Spirit"), and the Eucharist as the sacrifice which unites us to the all-sufficient Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross and the Sacrament in which He feeds us with His Body and Blood. Holy Orders The Holy Orders of bishops, priests and deacons as the perpetuation of Christ's gift of apostolic ministry to His Church, asserting the necessity of a bishop of apostolic succession (or priest ordained by such) as the celebrant of the Eucharist - these Orders consisting exclusively of men in accordance with Christ's Will and institution (as evidenced by the Scriptures), and the universal practice of the Catholic Church. Deaconesses The ancient office and ministry of Deaconesses as a lay vocation for women, affirming the need for proper encouragement of that office. Duty of Bishops Bishops as Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Shepherds and Teachers, as well as their duty (together with other clergy and the laity) to guard and defend the purity and integrity of the Church's Faith and Moral Teaching. The Use of Other Formulae In affirming these principles, we recognize that all Anglican statements of faith and liturgical formulae must be interpreted in accordance with them. Incompetence of Church Bodies to Alter Truth We disclaim any right or competence to suppress, alter or amend any of the ancient Ecumenical Creeds and definitions of Faith, to set aside or depart from Holy Scripture, or to alter or deviate from the essential pre-requisites of any Sacrament. Unity with Other Believers We declare our firm intention to seek and achieve full sacramental communion and visible unity with other Christians who "worship the Trinity in Unity, and Unity in Trinity," and who hold the Catholic and Apostolic Faith in accordance with the foregoing principles.
II. PRINCIPLES OF MORALITY The conscience, as the inherent knowledge of right and wrong, cannot stand alone as a sovereign arbiter of morals. Every Christian is obligated to form his conscience by the Divine Moral Law and the Mind of Christ as revealed in Holy Scriptures, and by the teaching and Tradition of the Church. We hold that when the Christian conscience is thus properly informed and ruled, it must affirm the following moral principles: Individual Responsibility All people, individually and collectively, are responsible to their Creator for their acts, motives, thoughts and words, since "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ . . ." Sanctity of Human Life Every human being, from the time of his conception, is a creature and child of God, made in His image and likeness, an infinitely precious soul; and that the unjustifiable or inexcusable taking of life is always sinful. Man's Duty to God All people are bound by the dictates of the Natural Law and by the revealed Will of God, insofar as they can discern them. Family Life The God-given sacramental bond in marriage between one man and one woman is God's loving provision for procreation and family life, and sexual activity is to be practiced only within the bonds of Holy Matrimony. Man as Sinner We recognize that man, as inheritor of original sin, is "very far gone from original righteousness," and as a rebel against God's authority is liable to His righteous judgment. Man and God's Grace We recognize, too, that God loves His children and particularly has shown it forth in the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that man cannot be saved by any effort of his own, but by the Grace of God, through repentance and acceptance of God's forgiveness. Christian's Duty to be Moral We believe, therefore, it is the duty of the Church and her members to bear witness to Christian Morality, to follow it in their lives, and to reject the false standards of the world.
IV. PRINCIPLES OF WORSHIP Prayer Book - The Standard of Worship In the continuing Anglican Church, the Book of Common Prayer is (and remains) one work in two editions: The Canadian Book of 1962 and the American Book of 1928. Each is fully and equally authoritative. No other standard for worship exists. Certain Variances Permitted For liturgical use, only the Book of Common Prayer and service books conforming to and incorporating it shall be used.
V. PRINCIPLES OF ACTION Intercommunion with other Apostolic Churches The continuing Anglicans remain in full communion with the See of Canterbury and with all other faithful parts of the Anglican Communion, and should actively seek similar relations with all other Apostolic and Catholic Churches, provided that agreement in the essentials of Faith and Order first be reached. Need for Sound Theological Training Re-establishment of spiritual, orthodox and scholarly theological education under episcopal supervision is imperative, and should be encouraged and promoted by all in authority; and learned and godly bishops, other clergy and lay people should undertake and carry on that work without delay. Financial Affairs The right of congregations to control of their temporalities should be firmly and constitutionally recognized and protected. Administrative Matters Administration should, we believe, be limited to the most simple and necessary acts, so that emphasis may be centered on worship, pastoral care, spiritual and moral soundness, personal good works, and missionary outreach, in response to God's love for us. The Church as Witness to Truth We recognize also that, as keepers of God's will and truth for man, we can and ought to witness to that will and truth against all manifest evils, remembering that we are as servants in the world, but God's servants first. Continuation, Not Innovation In this gathering witness of Anglicans and Episcopalians, we continue to be what we are. We do nothing new. We form no new body, but continue as Anglicans and Episcopalians.
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Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/8/2008 9:07:08 PM| LP: "Remember, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE ANGLICAN COMMUNION. ... It is neither Anglican nor a Communion." Hmmmm..... LP: "The continuing Anglicans remain in full communion with the See of Canterbury and with all other faithful parts of the Anglican Communion,..." These two excerpts seems a bit contradictory, eh LP? ;-) |

Submitted by Edward
at 5/8/2008 9:32:44 PM| The Continuing Anglican Churches are still ready to be in communion with faithful parts of what is still called the Anglican Communion. Since the Declaration of St Louis, however, it has become (abundantly) clear that this no longer need include the See of Canterbury. The Anglican Catholic Church, to which I now happily belong, has no connection to Canterbury and no interest in having such connection with a See that has departed so far from Catholic and Apostolic Christianity. |

Submitted by Sasha
at 5/8/2008 10:23:28 PM| Exactly, Edward!!! I'll second what you said about the Anglican Catholic Church and apply it to the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada - it seems good too! |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/8/2008 11:43:15 PM| David Ould: "At GAFCON evangelicals and anglo-catholics will set aside their rivalries for the service of a greater agreement. It would be great if [Graham] Kings would join us, and he rightly notes that Paul would have it no other way. But if he wants to share his meal with wolves, our obedience to what Paul wrote to the Philippians will not allow us to come [to Lambeth]." A very fine article arguing for GAFCON only attendance: Philippi or Corinth: Where is the Anglican Communion? A Response to Graham Kings |

Submitted by LP
at 5/9/2008 6:02:16 AM| Floridian: Yup, that's the Affirmation. Seems like everything it diagnosed wrong with PEcUSA -- and everything that faithful Anglicans ought to be doing -- is as true today as it was 30 years ago, eh? TUaD: Nope, not contradictory. By "there is no such thing as the Anglican Communion" I mean that the "organization" or "fellowship" as a whole is meaningless... that to sacrifice the faith in order to "remain in the Anglican Communion", as the institutionalists do, is stupid. On the other hand, there are plenty of faithful Anglicans in other parts of the world -- the Global South -- and it's perfectly proper & appropriate for first world Anglicans to recognize that breaking fellowship with apostates doesn't equate to breaking fellowship with Anglicans, despite the fact that those apostates are still constituent members of this so-called "Anglican Communion." Of course, for such "communion" to ever become a real "Anglican Communion" (something the world has never had), rather than just an informal fellowship, would require something like a genuine Covenant -- with teeth! -- and modes of enforcement and discipline. Not that other provinces necessarily would have the authority to interfere, but minimally that they'd have ways to censure, suspend and expell member churches which abandoned the basic parameters of that Covenant. What is different about the situation now than in 1977 is that it's no longer the case that the institutional Church of England can be counted as part of "Anglican" rather than "apostate" (in terms of theology). But I highlighted those phrases to help show just how congruent it is to the kind of thinking that "conservatives" in PEcUSA are touting as their revolutionary new way forward -- to show that their thinking is, in fact, about 30 years out of date... it was time to be saying and acting up on that in 1977, not in 2008.
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Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/9/2008 8:21:14 AM| "that to sacrifice the faith in order to "remain in the Anglican Communion", as the institutionalists do, is stupid." "that to sacrifice the faith in order to "remain in the Anglican Communion", as the institutionalists do, is stupid." "that to sacrifice the faith in order to "remain in the Anglican Communion", as the institutionalists do, is stupid." Aye LP, that it is. Such plain-spoken remarks must repeated in the hopes of penetrating thick skulls and dull stone hearts. But what also gets sacrificed is the corporate gospel witness to an unbelieving world. Anglicanism will be thought of as a "social justice" religion with an emphasis on the Millenium Development Goals, "Inclusivity" leading to Unitarianism, Environmental Issues like Global Warming, Abortion through the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, etc... instead of being a beacon and bulwark and a worthy Bride of Jesus Christ. Heck, I have even heard that in the Carribean Islands like Jamaica that the word "Anglican" is slang code for homosexual. Something like, "Yo mahn, da dude over dere at da bar is Anglicahn." |

Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/9/2008 11:19:23 AM| LP: "The question confronting those -- like CJ -- who have come to recognize and abohor PEcUSA's apostasy (from not just Anglicanism but from Christianity itself) is NOT whether or not they wish to stay in PEcUSA to remain Anglican -- it is, rather, whether or not they want to leave PEcUSA in order to RETURN to Anglicanism.
LP continues: "I wonder... would people like to see something like this come out of GAFCON for America and Canada?"
LP makes an insightful observation here and a larger point can and should be extracted, and then formally, explicitly, and pointedly set forth.
Transposing: The question confronting those -- like the GS/GAFCON bishops -- who have come to recognize and abhor the See of Canterbury's continual granting of safe conduct to PEcUSA's apostasy (from not just Anglicanism but from Christianity itself) is NOT whether or not they wish to stay in the Anglican Communion to remain Anglican -- it is, rather, whether or not they want to leave the Anglican Communion in order to RETURN to Anglicanism.
I'm sure the prospect is already being discussed in high places and in back channels. Fervent prayer and moral courage is required if the Lord wills it. This is simply the break of the Continuing Churches magnified and applied globally to the Anglican Communion. Part II, redux.
A "marital separation" of indeterminate length? Is that what GS/GAFCON bishops should do? "I'm separate from you, but I'm also still technically married to you, the See of Canterbury. Let us rework and rewrite our vows through the Anglican Draft Covenant, no matter how long it takes." And as such, this is the appropriate Godly response towards the rampant heresy and apostasy raging throughout TEc and the Anglican Communion?
A "marital separation"? What does Light have to do with Darkness? If ++Venables et al wishes to stay tethered to the See of Canterbury and the Anglican Communion, c'est la vie. But if other primates and their provinces have to say goodbye to the See of Canterbury and ++Venables as they walk away alongside TEc, then let it be.
Take a look at this: "It took several centuries to convert Britain to Christianity, but it has taken less than forty years for the country to forsake it." That was the judgment of historian Callum G. Brown in his book, The Death of Christian Britain, released in 2001."
From: "It Feels as if the Soul of Britain is Dying"
So I ask you, why would the GS/GAFCON bishops want to remain married to a dying apostate, heretical adulteress in the Church of England and the See of Canterbury? Doesn't it glorify Christ more to set up a non-Canterbury based Anglicanism?
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Submitted by LP
at 5/9/2008 12:13:02 PM| I would suggest the following as the only Biblically and patristically centered way forward for the GS/GAFCON bishops: 1. Meet at GAFCON to confirm the following plan 2. At (or of) Lambeth, demand that Canturbury and the Instruments of Unity immediately, unequivocally, and formally dismiss the U.S. and Canada from membership in the Anglican Communion because of their repeated and willful rejection of basic Scriptural teaching in theology and morality. No committees, no discussion groups. A formal up or down vote at Lambeth. 3. If (when) that fails to happen, to formally announce, as a body, that they consider England, the U.S., Canada, etc to have - by their departure from Scriptural teaching and rejection of basic Biblical and Creedal Christianity - effectively withdrawn themselves from any Christian body, such as the Anglican Communion. 4. To formally recognize and encourage the sending of missionary bishops into these now "Anglican Commuion"-less territories, as well as to take steps formally to engage the various non-Communion Anglican bodies already in existence there. But not, yet, to set up formal alternate national jurisdictions in these territories. Rather, to accept a period of "overlapping jurisdictions" the way the Orthodox Churches have... but to provide venues for these different groups to interact. 5. With these partners, to draft a new Anglican Covenant -- one with teeth and meaning, not some wishy-washy impotent cr*p like we all expect would come out of Canturbury and be accepted (with suitable redefining of basic English words -- it depends on what the meaning of "is" is). 6. When an approved Covenant is in hand and accepted by the national member jursidictions as a "statement of Communion", to invite the non-member national churches of England, the U.S., Canada, etc to return to Scripture and Anglicanism and sign on to the Covenant. 7. When those liberal and apostate bodies refuse, only then start fornally to put in place the groundwork for taking the various jurisdictions and overseas parishes within each country and working out a way for them to move - over the course of a few decades - into one jurisdiction which would, when constituted, fornally accept the Covenant. These new national jurisdictions would be recognized as the member jurisdictions of this formal and meaningful "Anglican Communion". The rump of apostate and post-Christian liturgical Unitarians/Gaians/Druids/Wiccans/etc (which would be what would be left of PEcUSA, the ACinC, etc) would be irrelevant.
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Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/9/2008 3:31:44 PM| LP, your suggestion seems reasonable and workable for the most part. However, you may have to get into a mud-wrestling match with Sarah Hey over whether you can use the word "Anglican". I have seen her get pretty worked up about who can and cannot use the word "Anglican" in identifying themselves. She is adamant that one must be in communion with the See of Canterbury in order to legitimately use the term. |











