LPO. K. CORRAL
To the consternation of some, Jack Iker's going to Lambeth:
Bishop Jack Iker of Fort Worth confirmed May 2 on the diocesan website that he has accepted the invitation from Archbishop of Canterbury to attend the Lambeth Conference in England this summer.
“I stand in solidarity with all those bishops who have decided, as a matter of conscience, that they are unable to be at Lambeth,” he said. “However, given the situation the diocese of Fort Worth finds itself in with the unfolding realignment that is taking place in Anglicanism, I think it is important for me to be there to make our case and to face our detractors.”
The announcement noted that in addition to demonstrating a willingness to work with the Instruments of Communion for the unity of the Church, Bishop Iker believes it is important for him to be present to defend orthodox believers who are being accused of abandonment of communion by the Presiding Bishop and other leaders of The Episcopal Church (TEC).
“We need to refute the claims that the leadership of this church is trying to accommodate us and provide a secure place for us, and we need to testify to the fact that TEC is not in compliance with the Windsor Report or the requests made of TEC by the Primate’s Meeting in Dar es Salaam,” he said.
In principle, I'm not opposed to this idea. If the final confrontation's going to come, what better place for it to come than on Anglicanism's biggest stage in front of the maximum amount of press coverage?
Provided, of course, that it does come. Conservatives need to realize that Lambeth is their last chance. Either something is done about the liberal Americans and Canadians at the Lambeth Conference or nothing is ever going to be done and conservatives need to walk away.
Because if this thing is prolonged any more, that's what a lot of us in the pews are going to do. Forever. No more stalling, no more "important Anglican events." There are some things infinitely more important than a Canterbury connection.
Submitted by StJulian
at 5/3/2008 2:29:07 PM| I just can't see +Iker going for any other reason. He seems to be a straight shooter who doesn't have time for tea party niceties. My prayers go with him. |
Submitted by Floridian
at 5/3/2008 2:33:03 PM| Chris, When the game's over and you are safe in a seriously orthodox Christian church, will there still be an MCJ blog, CJ-AI series?
Most of us would have withdrawal without the MCJ Blog. |
Submitted by Christopher Johnson
at 5/3/2008 2:47:44 PM| Floridian,
I imagine this site will keep going for some reason but as for the old reprobate, I don't really know. |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/3/2008 2:56:59 PM| Mr. Christopher Johnson has put it right: NOTHING past July!!!! Mr. Rowan Williams mustn't be allowed ONE SECOND of further prevarication or trifling, NOT ONE MORE!!!!! He's utterly EVIL to the core, not to mention untrustworthy - if anybody goes along with him, I'll curse and renounce whoever so does REGARDLESS of what has been good in him/her beforehand!!! I'd even forget everything about the "Covenant" - it's so obvious he's trying to play for more time "ad infinitum" it's not funny!!! No, either act against the West THIS INSTANT - or else, walk out THIS VERY INSTANT!!!! I will never accept ANYTHING LESS!!!! As it is, I've personally already not been inside a Canterbury-connected Anglican-church in over 2 years, thanks be to God!!! It can as well stay that way!! |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/3/2008 2:59:23 PM| Also, before somebody tells me to "get real" or equivalent: know that I AM being fully realistic, especially when remembering that ALL Mankind is 'ipso facto' evil from the day of the Original Sin; and it's NO FUN being realistic, period (as then one must remember that grim fact all the time)!!! |
Submitted by Tom (St. Louis)_
at 5/3/2008 3:06:24 PM| Part of me is wishing for a good old-fashioned, saloon clearing brawl to break out. Crosiers swinging, mitres flying(or oven mitts as the case may be)! |
Submitted by Lone Star
at 5/3/2008 3:37:17 PM| Point of order - the Lambeth Conference doesn't actually end until early August. August 3rd, in fact. So let's see what has happened by August. |
Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/3/2008 3:49:11 PM| Dear Anglican bishop, Who considers himself in the mold of historical, traditional, conservative, orthodox Anglicanism Christianity and who desires to be worthy of the name and calling of his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then you have two choices with respect to Lambeth: (1) Go to GAFCON only. Absent yourself from Lambeth. (2) Go to GAFCON and Lambeth. Show up, make a public statement with numerous signatures, then walk out en masse. If not dear Anglican bishop, then you are aiding and abetting, enabling, approving and affirming the charade and mockery of heresy and apostasy that's looking for a dignified and respectable cover in the shallow facile proceedings of the Lambeth Conference. Walk out or let enduring shame cover your legacy. |
Submitted by obituary
at 5/3/2008 3:49:15 PM| If nothing happens at Lambeth it is the end. I live in one of the worst dioceses in Canada. Until yesterday I had hopes that my parish would be leaving by the back door, quietly and unobtrusively. I find now it is not to be. No orthodox parish can exist in this sea of poison. Sadly I will leave and with me will go others and we will watch from afar as the place slowly closes down and gets sold off. Fortunately I have plenty of options in my city to still have the liturgy of my choice without the heresy. I only wish others had the same. |
Submitted by Grandmother
at 5/3/2008 4:10:46 PM| If I remember correctly, in one of the early councils of the church, some Bishop slapped another Bishop in the face.. So, the precedent was set long ago. Grandmother |
Submitted by bishopabrahamjarvis
at 5/3/2008 5:03:07 PM| Kick some liberal ASS Iker!!! |
Submitted by Manlius
at 5/3/2008 5:12:05 PM| Grandmother, I think the bishop you're referring to was jolly old St. Nicholas of Myra. The victim was a bloody Arian (or bloodied, as it were). |
Submitted by perpetua
at 5/3/2008 8:19:48 PM| In terms of maintaining the title to the property of the Diocese of ft. Worth, could there be a legal benefit to showing one was still recognized as the Bishop of the Ft Worth by the ABC in August 2008? Could it also be advantageous for +Iker in terms of the PB's plans for him in the fall? |
Submitted by Katherine
at 5/4/2008 12:16:35 AM| Those are possible reasons, perpetua. It's not clear to me HOW Iker will make his position clear, given the design of the conference in little small-group meetings. I hope there is a plan to break through all that; otherwise, this won't be effective other than as perpetua suggests. |
Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/4/2008 11:15:10 AM| "14 Do not enter the path of the wicked,
And do not walk in the way of evil. 15 Avoid it, do not travel on it; Turn away from it and pass on. 16 For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; And their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall. 17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, And drink the wine of violence. 19 The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble." (Proverbs 4: 14-18, 19) Verses 14-15: Describes those Anglican bishops who are attending GAFCON only. Verse 16: Describes liberal revisionist heretics and apostates. Verse 17: Which "orthodox" Anglican bishops want to commit eucharistic promiscuity with the liberal revisionist heretics and apostates at Lambeth? Archbishop Drexel Gomez of ACI? Verse 19: Sounds like classic Anglican Fudge with another helping served up by the Anglican Draft Covenant championed by ACI. |
Submitted by teddymak
at 5/4/2008 5:30:03 PM| With friends like this......... Anyway, I am pretty sure he knows better than most of us what to do. You don't know me +Jack, but I know you. You answered the Diocesan phone once on a Sunday afternoon. No secretary, factotem, machine, just a simple "hello-Bishop Iker." Gave me the address for FIFNA I think. That plus all of the other stuff you have done for these last several years has got my attention. If I've got anything you need, just let me know. If it's too big to mail I'll cut it up in smaller chunks. Teddy |
Submitted by VirginianAnglican
at 5/4/2008 5:49:33 PM| “I stand in solidarity with all those bishops who have decided, as a matter of conscience, that they are unable to be at Lambeth,” he said. ..., I think it is important for me to be there to make our case and to face our detractors.”
Sorry, but this statement is ECUSA Episcobabble doublespeak worthy of 815 or the Mother of Lies, Great Shori Herself. No bishop, you do not stand in solidarity with those who consider that to attend Lambeth is to betray Christ. You simply do not. You may have other reasons for attending, but standing in solidarity with those bishops who cannot attend is simply not one of them. And, Grandmother: in one of the early councils of the church, some Bishop slapped another Bishop in the face. And in 1555 and 1556, Latimer, Ridley, and Cranmer were burned for the sake of Christ. Your point is? "And as for the presiding bishop, I refuse her, as Christ's enemy, and Antichrist with all her false doctrine. |
Submitted by Bill Channon
at 5/4/2008 8:31:50 PM| +Iker is one of the most clear, strong and biblically orthodox bishops in EcUSA. I think that those of you who are critical of him must remember that just because you have left EcUSA, those departures have taken place at different times as the Lord has directed them. I believe that the Lord will use Jack Iker and the other orthodox believers who are called to go to Lambeth. WHO ARE YOU to judge +Iker? Do you know the Lord's direction and timing for him? How can you possibly claim to know what our Lord has told him to do?? Sasha, Jesus would never, ever want you to curse and renounce another human being. I sure hope that you never, ever become a missionary! RE: :"Which "orthodox" Anglican bishops want to commit eucharistic promiscuity with the liberal revisionist heretics and apostates at Lambeth? Archbishop Drexel Gomez of ACI?" You've got to be kidding! I plan to pray for those orthodox bishops and archbishops who go to Lambeth. May God protect them and give them the wisdom, direction and strength of the Holy Spirit to serve you while they are in Canterbury. Lord Jesus, I know you will be at their side. |
Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/4/2008 9:18:17 PM| Bill Channon: "You've got to be kidding!" Prov. 4:17 "For they eat the bread of wickedness, And drink the wine of violence." |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/5/2008 9:39:43 AM| Have no fear, Mr. Channon: I'm not a missionary and have no intention of ever becoming one. Yours truly doesn't think that God wants him in that kind of a job, so don't worry! However, God HAS BEEN known to turn His Back upon those who reject Him (Saul of Kish, Ahab + likelihood thereof when Peter rejects Simon Magus). Let's see what you can answer in regards to those unfortunates... |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/5/2008 9:48:14 AM| Oops, forgot another case: Peter vs. Ananias and Sapphira. As those two dropped dead at Peter's judgement (informed by the Holy Ghost), I wouldn't be surprised if God Also Rejected them... |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/5/2008 9:53:05 AM| Finally, Mr. Channon: if somebody who's supposed to be a Christian minister does you great harm - and does it with obvious malice and hate - how would you look upon him?? Would you be that forgiving as not to renounce and even curse him?!?? [Precisely the situation that occurred with me almost 3 years ago...] |
Submitted by David
at 5/5/2008 11:04:54 AM| All politics aside, Bishop Iker should stop short of the "Windsor compliant" remarks until he and his Diocese become "Windsor compliant". The only other comment I have to add is that I plan on praying for all the Bishops who go (or choose not to go) to Lambeth, regardless of whether or not they are "orthodox". I'll even remember those who go to GAFCON in my prayers that week. It's very easy only to pray for those with whom we agree, and it's far better for us to pray for them all. |
Submitted by Bill Channon
at 5/5/2008 2:48:08 PM| Yes, Sasha. Hard as I might find it, I would pray (and do) that the Lord help me to forgive my enemies, whatever harm they have done to me. Humanly, I find that very hard to do, but I believe that we are taught by our Lord to have loving hearts and to love our enemy.. TUaD: Why should I be kidding? Does this verse describe +Iker? "Prov. 4:17 "For they eat the bread of wickedness, And drink the wine of violence." He says that he is going to Lambeth to make sure the AC bishops and archbishops who are there, hear that EcUSA is NOT Windsor compliant, that whatever they might claim, ECUSA and the AofC have left Christianity. They are going there to fight for orthodox and traditional Christianity. I agree with Chris that 'in principle I agree', however I believe that the western churches have gone so far down the road to heresy and apostasy that, short of a miracle, they will not listen. Anyway, I don't believe that +Iker and ++s Venables and Chew have any intention to sit down and eat and drink the food of wickedness and violence. |
Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 5/5/2008 3:13:41 PM| Bill Channon, You are unbelievably dense. Prov. 4:17 was used to describe the liberal revisionist heretics and apostates. Eucharistic promiscuity is used to describe those who knowingly share and partake in a Eucharist populated by heretics and apostates. Do you understand the difference??? |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/5/2008 3:55:10 PM| TUaD has put it right, Mr. Channon: the Proverbs 4:17 quotation is being used upon Mr. Rowan Williams and his fellow-apostates!! THEY are the ones, not +Iker and +++s Venables and Chew, that the particularly verse is referring to! Also, we Christians are enjoined to SHUN such that bring forth "another gospel" - and that's why I feel very strongly that those worthy people +Iker et al are at best wasting their time; at worst, they'll end up traitors (especially if pressured by the sodomite lobby led there by VGR)!!! Now, to my situation: I've been trying my best, believe me, to pray for those same enemies (that "minister" and that sodomite of an "organist" who set me up for the trouble and no doubt backstabbed me too to boot!); however, it truly has been THE hardest test of my faith to date of my entire life!!!! What they deprived me of is unavailable in its full equivalent or better at any other church or location within a radius of 100 km. of here!!! Truly (and especially given that the "minister" is an open Spongian), part of me would love nothing better than - if they EVER had the temerity to approach me - to spit publicly into their faces and call them the reptiles and Judases they are - yes, and curse them and all their descendants down to the 100th generation!!!! It has also led to my total avoidance of that town (it's too painful otherwise!!!) ever since I had to return the keys at the demand of that arch-bastard "minister" (who hated the very idea of my defending myself and said that he didn't want me to be in touch with ANYBODY at that "church"!!!)!!!!! NOW, Mr. Channon, let's see what you have to say regarding THAT kind of treatment where the minister arrogated to himself the rôles of judge, jury and executioner!!!! As far as I'm concerned (even though he and that "organist" have been quarrelling since), the Devil already has his hands upon both their souls... |
Submitted by Sasha
at 5/5/2008 4:02:31 PM| Oops: I should have said that those worthies going to "Lambeth" at worst will EITHER end up traitors or killed (lynched by the sodomite lobby led there by VGR, Peter Tatchell, et al.). If the latter happens, I strongly doubt the British police would dare do too much to arrest and prosecute the murderers - they after all already control the Parliament via their stoolies (e.g., Gordon Brown). No, were I +Iker or one of the others, I would NOT feel too safe in the UK any more (it may well seem exaggerrated, but prudence is the better part of wisdom...). [Of course, it's different if they truly feel that Our Lord is calling them to go even with the risk of martyrdom in mind; however, they truly should not accept ANY food, refreshments or accommodations from Mr. Rowan Williams et al when they're there!! Let them just force the ultimatum or LEAVE ASAP (and the sooner the better!!!!!)!!! |
Then they need to walk out. It is as simple as that. Anything less is playing into revisionists hands. As currently structured this years Lambeth is nothing more than a gab fest with manipulative "Bible Study" groups and little else. Archbishop Rowan seems not to want to deal with the crisis at hand. He hopes to delay with talk of "Covenant." But unless the Covenant has real teeth it is a waste of time.
This is the message the conservative/orthodox leaders need to impart to ++Rowan and the rest of the Anglican Fudge Makers Society and Tea Party.