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I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church. Visiting a special convocation of the Diocese of Fort Worth with the expressed purpose of describing removal to the Province of the Southern Cone is an unprecedented and unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the internal affairs of this Province. I ask you to consider how you might receive such a visit to your own Province from a fellow primate. The actions contemplated by some leaders in Fort Worth are profoundly uncanonical. They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Province.
Throughout much of the question-and-answer session retired Bishop Sam B. Hulsey of Northwest Texas stood in the back of the parish hall. Last January Bishop Hulsey held an organizational meeting for clergy from the Diocese of Fort Worth, offering continuing care to those who wish to remain with The Episcopal Church, an action to which Bishop Jack Leo Iker of Fort Worth objected. Since then Bishop Hulsey has visited a handful of Fort Worth congregations.
Does Venables have Jack Iker's permission to come? After all, as much as it might pain Fort Worth's few liberals, Iker is still the local diocesan. Hulsey doesn't seem to have Iker's permission to do anything. Not that trivialities like that matter to Mrs. Schori since she'll get around to engineering Bishop Iker's deposition and removal soon enough.
UPDATE: It's official. Archbishop Venables has officially been invited by Bishop Iker. Still no word on Hulsey.
Submitted by Lone Star
at 4/29/2008 10:18:51 PM| Not just uncanonical, quoted by the Queen of uncanonical, but profoundly uncanonical. Oh, my! That must be really bad. For "needed reconciliation", read: submission to the Great and Powerful Oceanographer and all her lovely gay and lesbian friends. To KJS: go suck an egg! |
Submitted by Ken
at 4/29/2008 10:44:07 PM| Giving credit where credit is due, the folks at St. Thomas were leaders in reaching out to folks with AIDS when little was known about the disease and most folks feared it terribly. Unfortunately, they accepted the whole homosexualist package in their compassion. I took some classes with the rector's wife at the Anglican School of Theology, and nicer, more caring people you couldn't hope to meet. Now, as to the Presiding Balrog of the Episcopal Church and her demented ravings: it is the Dallas Plan which gives form to reconciliation and charity; she uses the words, but her words are destruction. By their fruits you will know them: Bps. Iker and Stanton worked out an arrangement to give pastoral care to those opposed to women's ordination and those in favor. Kate will have none of it. By their fruits you will know them, indeed. |
Submitted by sandiegoanglicans.com
at 4/29/2008 10:59:15 PM| Profound BOMRIC |
Submitted by Sasha
at 4/29/2008 11:36:24 PM| For those of is who're non-Americans: what does BOMRIC stand for, please? |
Submitted by Sasha
at 4/29/2008 11:39:33 PM| Pity that Mr. Hulsey seems to be volunteering to be the new "Lamb" for Fort-Worth Diocese when Ms. Schori-Jefferts "boots" +Iker out of TE'c'! The sooner +Iker and ++Venables officially link up and transfer the diocese over to the latter's care, the better by far (of course)!!! |
Submitted by Truth Unites... and Divides
at 4/29/2008 11:39:48 PM| BOMRIC means "Bend Over, More Reconciliation Is Coming." Without lubricant per 815. |
Submitted by Sasha
at 4/29/2008 11:40:33 PM| Oops, in the first of the above 2 postings: "is" (4th word) was meant to be "us". Sorry... |
Submitted by Sasha
at 4/29/2008 11:49:39 PM| Thank you so very much TUaD! Somewhere I remember --Griswold saying once that the word "reconciliation" was to be taken in the sense of the business term "bank-reconciliation" where the business's transactions have to be made to match those the bank with which it's dealing has recorded... I.e., the bank wins willy-nilly... [All this if I've understood matters correctly.] |
Submitted by Sasha
at 4/29/2008 11:56:47 PM| Yet one more thing I should have noticed (but then, being a man, I make mistakes like everybody else): Ms. Schori-Jefferts's words about a fellow-primate coming to 'his Province' truly sounds like a direct threat of a rival 'communion' - which I've no doubt he (++Venables) is more than at peace with as he already knows (contrary to --Schori-Jefferts' only threatening...) that the schism has already occurred. I expect he'll just let those apostates sent by her do their evil business without even raising a single 'meow' - they're after all already separate 'communions'... |
Submitted by The Bovina Bloviator
at 4/30/2008 12:11:36 AM| Ms. Schori asks: "I ask you to consider how you might receive such a visit to your own Province from a fellow primate." He (or she) would be welcomed with open arms, I should think, along with a dinner invitation and a place to stay. Why not? What possible threat could that primate be to the Diocese of Fort Worth? |
Submitted by LP
at 4/30/2008 2:16:04 AM| Donnette Schorlione’s letter close-captioned for the PEcUSA double-speak impaired. From ELO-NEWS:
Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori has advised Southern Cone Presiding Bishop Gregory J. Venables in an April 29 letter…A letter, which, magically, has appeared on the Internet before it even made it into the U.S. Mail service. Fancy that! Yup... why bother to write a private letter -- or even simply phone ++Venables -- when what you’re really doing is posturing and protesting in public to make Integrity happy and get public documents out there to help set up future law suits? We haven’t even gotten to the text of the letter yet... but is anyone even taking this transparent charade seriously? Oh, right, some will—i.e. the head-in-the-sands it’s-not-happening-in-my-parish oh-it’s-no-big-deal hey-it’s-just-some-lunatic-fringe-people-causing-trouble Episcopalians whose church has been systematically deceiving and theologically blinkering for 40 years now. Of course. Silly me. Then again, the average such person is nearly 60 years old and in a parish with an ASA of around 30. Can’t count on their willful blindness and institutionally-induced ignorance keeping putting in the weekly check for too much longer, now can you? Oh, hang on.... maybe that’s why PEcUSA wants those valuable properties which they didn’t pay a cent for so badly -- so they can sell them off to fund law suits, pensions, airfair to Lambeth to have tea with the Queen, and martini dinners in NYC... with a 00.7% left over for a token donation to the blessed MDGs. Silly me. But let’s take a look at that letter, shall we?
Dear Gregory,Hey you wretched conservative over whom I don’t have any jurisdiction more’s the pity, I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church.We’ve got enough discord being spread by our own last holdouts of conservative and somewhat traditional belief... we don't need people like you coming in from abroad and stirring things up by giving examples of genuine Anglican Christianity. If everyone would just cave in to the apostasy, we wouldn’t have any of this discord—so the discord is all their fault and you’re not helping!!! Visiting a special convocation of the Diocese of Fort Worth with the expressed purpose of describing removal to the Province of the Southern Cone is an unprecedented and unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the internal affairs of this Province.After all, I’m the only one allowed to invade a foreign province, steal its assets, and attempt to reconstitute back under my control. It’s okay for me to do that in San Joaquin (even if it means ignoring the legal bishop, deposing the legal standing committee, and illegally appointing my own toady... and I promise you, we’re going to get all that property and buildings back too!) but don’t you dare think you can come make a pastoral visit even at the invitation of the local bishop. That’s crossing the line, buddy! I can do whatever I damn well feel like -- especially because the House of Bishops is too spineless and craven to stop my rampant illegality -- but don’t you dare put a toe anywhere in the USA without MY express permission, regardless of who invited you or for what reason! I ask you to consider how you might receive such a visit to your own Province from a fellow primate.(Answer: with a lot more grace, civililty, and tact that you are, Madame Schoria!) The actions contemplated by some leaders in Fort Worth are profoundly uncanonical.I.e. I don’t agree with them. You should know by now that my opinion -- not the clear word of law or constitution -- is all that matters in PEcUSA. Besides, DBB and I don’t quite yet have all our ducks in a row for the crushing of the diocese of Fort Worth, the deposition of its faithful bishop and priests, and the theft of its property... so we’re going to scream “canons canons canons” at you... until we’re all set to move in and uncanonically rip its parishes away from its people. Hey, it worked in San Joaquin! They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Province.After all, "reconcilliation" means the disenfranchizement of everyone who disagrees with me, the theft of every parish’s property, the crushing of all genuine Christian faith, the imposition of our wide assortment of revisionist heresies and apostasies, and the driving out of our institution of any vestige of tradition Christian faith or Anglican practice. We just need to get everyone (or, at least, everyone who’s staying in the organization) reconciled to that new reality. See? --"reconciled" ... "reconciliation" ... that’s what we mean by it -- and, once again, you’re not helping! I urge you to focus your pastoral ministry within your own Province.And stop being pastoral to the Christians whom I am persecuting and marginalizing!!! -- because that’s showing up just how un-pastoral, duplicitous, uncharitable, apostate, egocentric, and meretricious my own leadership is... and we can’t risk letting any of those clueless head-in-the-sand write-the-weekly-check 'Piskies we count on stumbling across something which might actually shock them out of their self-indulgent stupor to see what’s really going on! May your ministry there be fruitful.Of course, we’ve got more fruits (and nuts!) up here in PEcUSA, so nyah-nyah! I remain Your servant in Christ,Well, actually, I remain your implacable enemy because I serve Mammon and the Spirit of this world, not Christ and the Holy Spirit... but if I mouth the pious platitudes you’ll have to be nice to me in any response and I can whine and play the victim card if you say anything at all harsh or—worse yet—if you remember the example of how the apostle John reacted to Cerinthus. (Ha! Bet you didn’t know I knew that bit of apostolic trivia, now did you? Not that I ever read that sort of stuff in seminary, but Gene mentioned it when he was talking about how God isn’t the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and so I googled it!) Katharine Jefferts SchoriThat’s Doctor PRIMATE ALL POWERFUL AND EXULTED ONE Schori to you, buddy. |
Submitted by The Pilgrim
at 4/30/2008 3:48:57 AM"Not just uncanonical, quoted by the Queen of uncanonical, but profoundly uncanonical." Wow. That will get the whole diocese on double secret probation! (KJS is, after all, a graduate of the Dean Wormer school of management...) |
Submitted by dwstroudmd
at 4/30/2008 7:59:13 AM| Last I heard, before the recent attempts at curia-like power grabs and pretensions to a provincial papacy, neither the HOB nor the PB(esss)have the power or authority or right or any such means to interfere in the Dioceses. She cannot even be there without invitation from the Ordinary. Why even the ABC managed to get off his duff to affirm that the basic unit of the Church is the Diocese and not the national organization. I think, given the series of errors and manipulations of canons and history and blowing in the windsor bishops and camp allied-with-SchoriaLaw-Beer-ites, that the apropos title for Kate is Presiding Martinet. Speaking politely, of course. There are more appropriate sobriquets in a native Anglo-Saxon vocabulary..... |
Submitted by midwestnorwegian
at 4/30/2008 9:09:20 AM| Dear Presiding Heretic: Your unwarranted invasion of the Niobrara Convocation this year will be considered by a large portion of the faithful in this part of Christianity as an act of war against Christians. You are not welcome. Do not bring further heresy and discord to Christians and cattle here. Be prepared to inhale vast quantities of bovine methane!!! Shalom idiot. |